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A Plea
Sept 15, 2007 22:36:00 GMT -4
Post by HostileNative on Sept 15, 2007 22:36:00 GMT -4
Dear Admins and Members of the Board:
I am writing to you with a plea. I appreciate the fact that this board does not come down on us with all these pesky rules and regulations that we must follow, but when does too far become too far? I have witnessed the many startings of fan clubs on topics that I find most crude and disrespectful. Michael Emerson is a man, a human, just like the rest of us. Shouldn't we then, treat him as such? Yes, he is very good-looking, but does he really need a "Bottom" fan club? A club in which, there is voting on the best "bum shot"? He is a human being, not some porn star.
I would be appalled if he were to come across these posts. I kind of even wonder how Patrick feels about it, if he's even seen it.
Among the disrespect towards Michael Emerson, I find threads that speak of and actually showing manipulations of the murder of a certain character absolutely beyond acceptable. This is a Michael Emerson Fan Board not a Kill Jack Fan Board. If no one likes Jack then don't talk about him, end of story.
Matthew Fox is a person. He has feelings. Yes, his character may be annoying at times but that is NOT his fault.
I am completely uncomfortable to even go to that section of this board anymore with all of the hatred and disrespect going on. I have no idea how other people feel but I have remained silent for far too long. This is a concerned member's view and I hope you take it into consideration and even action. Thank you for your time.
-Megan Gallagher AKA HostileNative
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A Plea
Sept 15, 2007 23:12:18 GMT -4
Post by Edith S. Baker on Sept 15, 2007 23:12:18 GMT -4
Dear Admins and Members of the Board: I am writing to you with a plea. I appreciate the fact that this board does not come down on us with all these pesky rules and regulations that we must follow, but when does too far become too far? I have witnessed the many startings of fan clubs on topics that I find most crude and disrespectful. Michael Emerson is a man, a human, just like the rest of us. Shouldn't we then, treat him as such? Yes, he is very good-looking, but does he really need a "Bottom" fan club? A club in which, there is voting on the best "bum shot"? He is a human being, not some porn star. I would be appalled if he were to come across these posts. I kind of even wonder how Patrick feels about it, if he's even seen it. Among the disrespect towards Michael Emerson, I find threads that speak of and actually showing manipulations of the murder of a certain character absolutely beyond acceptable. This is a Michael Emerson Fan Board not a Kill Jack Fan Board. If no one likes Jack then don't talk about him, end of story. Matthew Fox is a person. He has feelings. Yes, his character may be annoying at times but that is NOT his fault. I am completely uncomfortable to even go to that section of this board anymore with all of the hatred and disrespect going on. I have no idea how other people feel but I have remained silent for far too long. This is a concerned member's view and I hope you take it into consideration and even action. Thank you for your time. -Megan Gallagher AKA HostileNative Meagan, Forums are a way of expressing oneself. Fans were expressing themselves and reacting to a competition over DarkUFO's site between Jack and Ben. Just as in football and baseball games, our fans took sides. There were those who rooted for Jack and those who rooted for Ben. Ben lost by a small margins, and as sports fans do, they reacted to the event. The reaction was expressed creatively, albeit maybe gruesomely. I don't think that gruesome pictures are things that offend you and many others, as I know that many of you are fans of such genre. Art is a form of expression and as long as it was directed at a character and not the actor, I see no harm in it. Moreover, as this forum is located in the United States, and as the United States gives her people the constitutional right for free speech, I personally, don't feel that censorship should occur in this instance. Had the thread been kill Mathew Fox or get rid of Mathew Fox, I would understand your outrage. But let me reiterate once again that the character is not the actor. Now, regarding your complaint about M. Emerson's physical attributes, I can tell you that yes, I do feel that some of them may be out of hand. But the admin got tg on this matter and we chose not to exercise censorship unless it really, really steps over the lines.
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A Plea
Sept 15, 2007 23:26:49 GMT -4
Post by HostileNative on Sept 15, 2007 23:26:49 GMT -4
Edith:
First and foremost, thank you for replying. I completely understand where you are coming from. As far as the freedom of speech goes, even in the US, there's limit. You cannot give a horse an open field to run in and not expect him to go off the property. Yes you can give the members freedom of speech. but there needs to be SOME kind of limit.
As far as "being a fan" of horror/gruesome images, I am not. I cringe at the very sight of it. I'm sure I'm not the only one. If anything, these threads that enclose such images should hold a disclaimer or warning to those of us who may be curious as to what the thread is about but do not wish to be exposed to such violence. Especially if the viewer is of a younger age.
As far as not censoring unless it's out of line, where do you draw that line? Apparently the line includes naughty talk and worship of an actor's bum. So what exactly falls on the OTHER side of the line if this is where the line is currently drawn?
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Sept 15, 2007 23:39:19 GMT -4
Post by Edith S. Baker on Sept 15, 2007 23:39:19 GMT -4
Edith: First and foremost, thank you for replying. I completely understand where you are coming from. As far as the freedom of speech goes, even in the US, there's limit. You cannot give a horse an open field to run in and not expect him to go off the property. Yes you can give the members freedom of speech. but there needs to be SOME kind of limit. As far as "being a fan" of horror/gruesome images, I am not. I cringe at the very sight of it. I'm sure I'm not the only one. If anything, these threads that enclose such images should hold a disclaimer or warning to those of us who may be curious as to what the thread is about but do not wish to be exposed to such violence. Especially if the viewer is of a younger age. As far as not censoring unless it's out of line, where do you draw that line? Apparently the line includes naughty talk and worship of an actor's bum. So what exactly falls on the OTHER side of the line if this is where the line is currently drawn. OK, I agree that there should have been some warning. Heck, even Saw had a rating of some sort. I am at a loss with the physical attribute. I am not a fan of it, even though I participate in the chest hair game. But then it's my quirkiness. And believe it or not, if I were to meet M. Emerson personally and if he were to mention my quirkiness, I would be able to look into his eyes and laugh at it. I can't say that I would be able to do the same about bum worship. The big question is this: Should we stop talking about his beautiful blue eyes? How about his mishappen lips? His moussed up hair? Bald spot? His voice? The fact that we find him attractive? Where do we draw the lines? Where do we draw the lines? I don't know. Shannon (flummery) and I have discussed this till we turned blue. We don't want this board to be full of rules. All I can say is that we will bring it up to our round table. (I think it is round. I personally never saw it.)
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Sept 15, 2007 23:50:10 GMT -4
Post by HostileNative on Sept 15, 2007 23:50:10 GMT -4
I think in the end, it should boil down to respect. If we are indeed fans of Mr. Emerson, then let us show it in some other way rather than talking about how much we like his dimples or smile, and his other attributes. This forum is full of extremely talented people, all of whom have already placed their talent into expressing their fandom.
In the end, we should follow the Golden Rule. We should treat Mr. Emerson the way we would want to be treated. And that there draws the line. Being an Admin of a few boards myself, I have stated this and have had no problems. My main rule is...respect. Other than that, there is no leash. but by stating that the person whom the board is dedicated to is a human just like us and should therefore be treated as such......it has people think a little bit more before posting a thread.
Thank you for bringing this delicate topic to your staff table, I can only hope that there may be some change. Not necessarily for my benefit, but for others who may be remaining silent. And most importantly, our younger members of the board whom look up to us. They are, after all, the future. What they learn on the internet is bad enough but, one more positive site...is one less negative one.
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Sept 16, 2007 13:53:38 GMT -4
Post by greenleaf on Sept 16, 2007 13:53:38 GMT -4
Megan
I think Michael has enough sense of humour for to laugh on jokes of his fans. Forgive me, but even political correctness should have some limit, especially in the Internet. We all respect Michael Emerson and his privacy. Our jokes are completely harmless, in my opinion.
Sorry for my English.
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Sept 16, 2007 14:07:08 GMT -4
Post by Edith S. Baker on Sept 16, 2007 14:07:08 GMT -4
MeganI think Michael has enough sense of humour for to laugh on jokes of his fans. Forgive me, but even political correctness should have some limit, especially in the Internet. We all respect Michael Emerson and his privacy. Our jokes are completely harmless, in my opinion. Sorry for my English. Your English came across perfectly. You said it perfectly.
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A Plea
Sept 16, 2007 14:21:03 GMT -4
Post by benlinusisagoodguy on Sept 16, 2007 14:21:03 GMT -4
ummmm megan as i created the bottom thread.
im curious to know.
why kick up a stink now? when it was made months and months ago? if it had always offended you. then you should of said something back then.
i feel upset now myself. because now i feel i've offended people, and now people feel im disrespecting michael. when it's totally not like that
*feed herself to the polar bears* its for the best
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A Plea
Sept 16, 2007 14:25:06 GMT -4
Post by greenleaf on Sept 16, 2007 14:25:06 GMT -4
Edith, I thank for your support.
I think, in a case if we have offended Michael (not wishing that!) Patrick at once would communicate with admins of a forum and he would state the indignation.
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A Plea
Sept 16, 2007 14:43:48 GMT -4
Post by pez on Sept 16, 2007 14:43:48 GMT -4
So sorry.
I didn't mean to piss people off.
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A Plea
Sept 16, 2007 14:54:25 GMT -4
Post by flummery on Sept 16, 2007 14:54:25 GMT -4
Megan, I respect your opinion and I'm with you on not being comfortable going to the Fancrazy board. That is why the Fancrazy board exists- so that threads that may make some people uncomfortable can be avoided. The difference between us is that I feel it would be disrespectful for me to post the things that are posted there. I see Michael a certain way, and I know I have a different outlook than many other members (not a better outlook, a different one). If other people are comfortable posting non-pornographic material and limiting that material to one board so it's avoidable, I don't feel that there's any reason to raise our level of censorship. We do take censorship very seriously here. It's something we've always tried to stay away from. That's just the way our board works, and we've been successful doing things this way. Personally, I think banning that kind of Fancrazy content would be a very extreme measure, and one that is undue at this point. The members here have been very good at moderating themselves within the rules we've given them, and I think that speaks a lot for their respect for Michael (after all, they'd have no reason to listen to us if this was just some lame actor's fan board).
As for the Jack graphics...they are also avoidable, and that's one reason I feel it's okay. It doesn't get shoved down anyone's throat. The fact that Jack is a character is also a reason. Beyond that, I think the thread's absurdity helps to make it acceptable. It's a silly thread with graphics that are not overly realistic (certainly not as realistic as many deaths on Lost). It's imagination. Some of us will not want to participate in it, and that's fine. But I don't think that's a reason to censor the content altogether.
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Sept 16, 2007 14:57:18 GMT -4
Post by kiagary on Sept 16, 2007 14:57:18 GMT -4
I think Michael has enough sense of humour for to laugh on jokes of his fans. Forgive me, but even political correctness should have some limit, especially in the Internet. We all respect Michael Emerson and his privacy. Our jokes are completely harmless, in my opinion. I concur. I think Michael is smart enough to understand that all we say is meant in a funny way. There's no offense or vulgarity intended, just a bit of fancreziness. Plus, there are appropriate threads for that, so that people who don't want to be involved can avoid the topics. Anyway, if I did offend anyone, I apologize.
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Sept 16, 2007 15:02:48 GMT -4
Post by Kim on Sept 16, 2007 15:02:48 GMT -4
The fact that Jack is a character is also a reason. Beyond that, I think the thread's absurdity helps to make it acceptable. It's a silly thread with graphics that are not overly realistic (certainly not as realistic as many deaths on Lost). It's imagination. Some of us will not want to participate in it, and that's fine. But I don't think that's a reason to censor the content altogether. That's the only point I feel I need to make on this topic - that the Jack stuff is about Jack - a fictional character in a TV show. It's not about the actor, it's all about the characters. That's why I feel it's acceptable in the fan crazy thread. I genuinely understand that people are offended by different things but there is a good distinction here between the more serious discussions about Michael and his work, and the more frivolous fan stuff.
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A Plea
Sept 16, 2007 15:16:20 GMT -4
Post by DHARMA janitor on Sept 16, 2007 15:16:20 GMT -4
I just wanted to get my 10 cents in before we all go crazy. I will admit that i have started threads regarding michael's body parts and if people here at the fanboard where starting to feel uncormfortable about certain discussions then i would stop posting in certain threads. But i think we all need to take into account that everybody interpretes things in diffrent ways. People have diffrent levels of disscretion. As for the jack dying thing, yes the pictures are brutal but jack is a charater and is fictional. I think maybe we should prehaps have warnings on some threads that are more sensitive than others. As long as threads are not extremely violent, sexual, or delve into michaels private life then people should be free to disscuss michaels work. Sorry to have offended anybody.
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Sept 16, 2007 15:22:08 GMT -4
Post by Edith S. Baker on Sept 16, 2007 15:22:08 GMT -4
I just wanted to get my 10 cents in before we all go crazy. I will admit that i have started threads regarding michael's body parts and if people here at the fanboard where starting to feel uncormfortable about certain discussions then i would stop posting in certain threads. But i think we all need to take into account that everybody interpretes things in diffrent ways. People have diffrent levels of disscretion. As for the jack dying thing, yes the pictures are brutal but jack is a charater and is fictional. I think maybe we should prehaps have warnings on some threads that are more sensitive than others. As long as threads are not extremely violent, sexual, or delve into michaels private life then people should be free to disscuss michaels work. Sorry to have offended anybody. This board talks a lot about SAW and LOST. Both are very violent and graphic shows. Let's put things into perspective. How many of us can say that we saw Michael on stage? How many of us can say that we saw Michael on Saw and LOST? Just think about what you witnessed in Saw and in LOST and then come and talk about blood and gore.
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