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Post by bobdoc on May 18, 2009 13:46:41 GMT -4
If Jacob's enemy is the smoke monster, as some of you guys think, then couldn't Smokey have just taken Locke, impersonated him, and started trying to make Ben kill Jacob at any time? The monster killed Eko and the 815 pilot, so even if the monster can't kill Jacob as part of the way, it can kill others like original Locke. But maybe this explains why the monster tried to take Locke away in the Season One finale.
I wonder how Lost will run promos heading into S6. They usually start running teasers in December- but how could they possibly show new footage without giving away if the bomb changed the future or not, or giving away where/when the 1977 people are? But the S5 teasers ran without giving away that the island was moving through time, though- but we could probably determine that for ourselves by freeze framing.
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Post by tigerlily on May 18, 2009 14:28:39 GMT -4
If Jacob's enemy is the smoke monster, as some of you guys think, then couldn't Smokey have just taken Locke, impersonated him, and started trying to make Ben kill Jacob at any time? The monster killed Eko and the 815 pilot, so even if the monster can't kill Jacob as part of the way, it can kill others like original Locke. But maybe this explains why the monster tried to take Locke away in the Season One finale. I read a very nicely written, well-thought out theory on DarkUFO. This person thinks that Locke can't die on the island, since we've seen him bounce back from paralysis and a gunshot through the torso, so Smokey/anti-Jacob had to wait for him to die OFF the island, and helped him along by making sure this happened - in the form of Christian, at the donkey wheel, and in the form of future Locke telling Ricardus to tell alive Locke he had to die. And then of course he had to make sure that Locke's body returned - maybe by manipulating Jack in the form of Christian? I think this theory is spot on. Here's the recap: darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/05/things-i-noticed-incident-by-vozzek69.html |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2009 14:47:10 GMT -4
I've read some interesting discussion about the roles of Jacob, Jacob's rival and Smokey as being the island equivalents of the three fates, with Jacob playing the role of Klotho, in making the thread (selecting who comes to the island), Smokey being Lachesis, who measures (judges) the thread, and Loophole as Atropo, who cuts the threads, or ends the lives.
Not sure I buy that hook line and sinker, but it has some valid points. I thought it was interesting that the tapestry has a line was from the Odyssey, it appears: May heaven grant you in all things your heart's desires. That sort of fits in with Ben's metaphor of the box.
But generally, the story line as taken us back to the classics and the ancient tales that have stood the test of time with the themes of jealousy, rivalry, searching, loss, redemption. I just love it.
I look for Season 6 to continue that but to close some threads (ha!) on other issues that didn't get addressed in the finale: Claire and Desmond and Penny. Widmore and Eloise. Who knows we might even get an appearance from Hanso.
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Post by dkiddo on May 18, 2009 15:12:32 GMT -4
I agree, Elizabeth acting was amazing, I was actually surprised i was crying like a baby when Juliet (you know what happened). And i also cried a bit with Ben asking Jacob "What about me?!"
Very emotional episode, and yes it might not have exploded (the bomb) but what if it did?
a) either everybody dies which is unlikely LOL
b) reset? i don't think so
c) <<< insert more possibilities here >>> LOL
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Post by tigerlily on May 18, 2009 15:17:48 GMT -4
I don't think it could be a simple reset either, because if they just pull into LAX like they were supposed to, and everybody gets off and goes on with their lives, how will they fill an entire sixth season? TPTB can't make them all go back to the island AGAIN! I think something went a little kablooey during the incident...I think Faraday was crazy to begin with, and he didn't have it quite right when he said it was possible to prevent the crash...but who knows?! It's all wide open at this moment. It would be pretty interesting if S6 starts off with Jack opening his eyes right after the crash, as he did in the pilot, but this time their island experience is very different, maybe because Jacob has died?
I'm just speculating, and not very cleverly at the moment. But I can't get this episode out of my mind. It's just such fantastic storytelling!!
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Post by gswoody on May 18, 2009 16:34:57 GMT -4
Did anyone else notice, or maybe I'm mistaken, during the finale they ran a commercial for "Flash Forward" and I could swear that the woman they showed at the end who was crying and had her hands over her mouth like she was in shock was the actress who plays Penny? If it wasn't her, it was someone who looked amazingly like her!
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Post by silvia1 on May 18, 2009 16:35:32 GMT -4
And what about the couple Rose-Bernard? Two Robinsons...(with Vincent, of course)
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Post by tigerlily on May 18, 2009 16:53:41 GMT -4
And what about the couple Rose-Bernard? Two Robinsons...(with Vincent, of course) Awww I LOVED them!!! Especially Bernard's crazy beard! ;D |
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Post by WinZFactor on May 18, 2009 17:25:00 GMT -4
And what about the couple Rose-Bernard? Two Robinsons...(with Vincent, of course) Awww I LOVED them!!! Especially Bernard's crazy beard! ;D Beard-nard is awesome. I don't care what people says about Des and Pen, but they're just sooo sweet. I've be re-watching season 4 and 3, and yes - I think Christian (a.k.a Jacob's enemy) wants Locke to die from the very beginning so that he can 'use' him. And wait, WHERE THE EFF IS CLAIRE? Worst case scenario: What if season 6 starts with Not!Locke killing Ben?  |
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Post by bobdoc on May 18, 2009 18:01:19 GMT -4
Did anyone else notice, or maybe I'm mistaken, during the finale they ran a commercial for "Flash Forward" and I could swear that the woman they showed at the end who was crying and had her hands over her mouth like she was in shock was the actress who plays Penny? If it wasn't her, it was someone who looked amazingly like her! It was her exactly- Sonja Walger[Penny]is a co-star in that new series. What that says about the future of Penny and Desmond, and when/if/how Desmond has to come back, I don't know. |
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Post by snivellusfriend on May 18, 2009 20:20:50 GMT -4
Very emotional episode, and yes it might not have exploded (the bomb) but what if it did? a) either everybody dies which is unlikely LOL b) reset? i don't think so c) <<< insert more possibilities here >>> LOL I think it'll be 'C;' They'll flash forward to 2009 or 2010, where the show will end exactly how it began: in sinc with our current year (2004 in 2004) |
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Post by Nuala on May 18, 2009 20:42:13 GMT -4
Worst case scenario: What if season 6 starts with Not!Locke killing Ben? Oh noez!!!!! Dont wanna even think about this!!! i think Ben is such an important character and he still has so much more to give us that TPTB won't kill him, unless they want all my wrath upon them...  Oh! I have another Biblical reference, not sure if it is importante, just throwing it out there: Rachel was Jacob's wife, the one he worked for 14 years in order to marry her and she was Benjamin's mom... And i have a theory about the "They're coming" thing Jacob said. What i understood was that anti-Jaco wasn't able to kill Jacob, cause of whatever rules they have, like somebody else mentioned: just like Ben and Widmore, so anti-J used Lockes body and plotted the plan so that sombody else would do it... so Ben did, which I thought was a great performance by Michael, really... i smell Emmy nomination and Ben asked the same question I've been asking myself: what the hell was wrong with Ben?!? But back to topic, when Jacob is dying he told ant-J that they are coming. Who? I think he was talking about Team Ilana. They've just arrived and showed Locke's body to Ricardus, so i think that they are some kind of bodyguards for Jacob or at least they are there to help him in whatever he needed. He told Ilana, while she was at the russian hospital that he needed her help and since we know that Jacob is somone or something special I think that all of his "friends" are somehow special too. And by the death of Jacob they can unleash some terrible punishment to anti-J or something really, really bad, cause the expression of anti-Jacob when he hears jacob sayin "They are coming" was of pure fear. So Team Ilana may summon SMonster as well, and since SMonster is the judge, he can cause serious damage to Anti or kill him too... |
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Post by dkiddo on May 18, 2009 21:53:43 GMT -4
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Post by Belle MacFarlane on May 19, 2009 8:52:38 GMT -4
If the 'new' Locke isn't Locke and is, infact, the man at the start with Jacob, how does he know that the hatch is where he and Ben first met ? Is it half Locke, half other man ? Ooh, good point. I hadn't thought of that. Maybe, if Not!Locke is Smokey as I'm so sure he is, perhaps Smokey can see everything that goes on on the Island. |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2009 5:18:49 GMT -4
I wonder if they inhabit or assume the person of someone else if they can somehow upload that person's memories and knowledge.
Just watched again and I think maybe Richard dates to the classical Roman era, given that he (and the Others) spoke Latin, and that Ilana called him Ricardus, the Latin version of Richard?
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