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Post by Smokey on May 20, 2009 7:20:07 GMT -4
I watched the episode two days ago but I still don't know what to think/say  But I thought it was awesome. Just watched again and I think maybe Richard dates to the classical Roman era, given that he (and the Others) spoke Latin, and that Ilana called him Ricardus, the Latin version of Richard? It might be. I'm not sure the fact that he models likes modelism necessarily means that he was on the Black Rock. I think he was on the island long before that. After all, if someone got on the island in Roman times (or maybe we should say "if Jacob brought someone onthe island in Roman times"), it was probably at a moment when the island was in the Mediterranean. Or maybe they just speak Latin because when they started... er, being Others it was the universal language/the language intellectuals spoke. Or maybe they just thought it was cool  Anyway, Richard also said "it's Richard, actually"...  |
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Post by dkiddo on May 20, 2009 10:36:34 GMT -4
I think whoever possessed Locke's is the same that possessed Christian Sheppard, meaning, whoever told Locke/Ben to move the island, was not Jacob but his nemesis.
So that'd mean that Jacob wanted Widmore to return???
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Post by gem10 on May 20, 2009 11:46:29 GMT -4
But Christian being 'possessed' involves his actual body being taken over. The 'new' Locke is not using the original Locke's body.  |
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Post by tigerlily on May 20, 2009 13:47:35 GMT -4
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Post by tigerlily on May 20, 2009 13:48:25 GMT -4
But Christian being 'possessed' involves his actual body being taken over. The 'new' Locke is not using the original Locke's body. We don't know for sure whether Christian's actual body has been possessed or not, though, since we haven't actually seen his body on the island. I think it's open-ended, but you've got a very good point. |
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Post by mrspremise on May 20, 2009 16:25:34 GMT -4
Not sure if this has already been mentioned but Rachel died after giving birth to Benjamin, just as Emily died after giving birth to 'our' Ben
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Post by mrspremise on May 20, 2009 16:30:57 GMT -4
My first thought when I saw Ilana in the hospital with her face bandaged was that she had cosmetic surgery to alter her appearance. Maybe she is someone we already know? I can't think who though - particularly as one eye was left 'unchanged'
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Post by mrspremise on May 20, 2009 16:36:17 GMT -4
I've been thinking A LOT about Lost since Sunday - trying to make some sense of it. I've realised how little I know about philosophy, the Bible, Ancient Egypt etc - I need to do some home work.
One thing that puzzles me a bit is the Egyptian icons, and the Christian references. Why does Jacob live under the statue and weave tapestries with Egyptian images?
Perhaps the show is about opposing ideas - Christianity and Paganism, Life and death, love and hate, destiny and free will, science and nature? And that no one way is completely right or wrong - just as the biblical Jacob and his brother Esau were neither all good or all bad (if my Sunday School memories serve me correctly)
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Post by Belle MacFarlane on May 20, 2009 16:51:24 GMT -4
Perhaps the show is about opposing ideas - Christianity and Paganism, Life and death, love and hate, destiny and free will, science and nature? And that no one way is completely right or wrong - just as the biblical Jacob and his brother Esau were neither all good or all bad (if my Sunday School memories serve me correctly) Ooh, perhaps our friend on the beach/probably Smokey is Esau then? |
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Post by mrspremise on May 20, 2009 17:13:55 GMT -4
Well, Jacob stole Esau's birthright as the eldest brother which ties in with Widmore claiming Ben stole what was his
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Post by tigerlily on May 20, 2009 20:13:23 GMT -4
I think they are mixing a number of different mythologies and philosophies together. Biblical, Egyptian, Greek and...erm, Star Wars. None of them are precise literal adaptations, and as soon as you grasp where they are going with one of them they change it up!! I thought for sure in 316 that Locke would be the Jesus figure, but everything has changed so much since then. The tapestry, for instance, has Egyptian symbology and figures, but Greek text. The outer temple walls contained hieroglyphics, but the style of the walls appeared to be Indian. I have suspected for a long time that multiple ancient civilizations originated on the island. I'm not sure which will prevail in the end, maybe none of them, but the most prominent one at the moment appears to be Egyptian. but again, you know they'll simply twist it on us the first chance they get!!! I agree with Smokey: I think Richard is much, much older than the Black Rock. I don't think he is on the same powerful, god-like level of supernatural being as Jacob and Anti-Jacob, but maybe he's some sort of protector that was chosen by Jacob. We have so little information to go on, really. And he doesn't seem to have the same knowledge of the island that the other two have. He chose the wrong leaders, for one thing, and seemed so surprised by things that Locke told him. He seems more human, more mortal than the other two, except for his agelessness. I was so surprised to learn that Illana and the others were allied with Jacob and, apparently, Richard, even though she didn't know Richard. What is her story? What is her connection to Richard? Why must we wait nine months to find out?  ? Also, does anybody else think that maybe Eloise Hawking has allied herself with Anti-Jacob/Locke-less Monster? She made sure that everybody returned, and that Locke's body was included...she was the one that made sure Jack would obey this. Do you think she is doing it to somehow reverse Faraday's death? She's a big mystery still... |
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Post by Nuala on May 20, 2009 23:12:42 GMT -4
I was thinking the exact same thing Tigerlily, about Eloise and Widmore... Ellie might be Team Anti-Jacob or might be thinking he is working for Jacob, and like Ben doesn't know that he is actually Anti-J... and Widmore??? Don't think that Team Ilana is with him, cause Bram told Miles not to go cause Widmore was a bad person or something... so i dunno who he's working with: Jacob or Anti-J...
I was thinking about the statue, what could have happened to it??? Cause now it's only one foot, where's the rest?
And another thought: i'm no physicist and have no idea about it, but what could happen if jughead explodes but at the same time the electromagnetic pocket was drilled and all that energy was relased in that precise moment???
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Post by silvia1 on May 21, 2009 4:58:13 GMT -4
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Post by tigerlily on May 21, 2009 9:29:51 GMT -4
I was thinking about the statue, what could have happened to it??? Cause now it's only one foot, where's the rest? I've been wondering this too! It was intact in the 1800s when the Black Rock arrived...do you think it has something to do with the active volcano that they mentioned in Ben's classroom in TMBTC? They've never really returned to that, but made a point of including it in the episode... or, maybe the incident also caused an earthquake that toppled it? |
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Post by inia on May 21, 2009 10:51:28 GMT -4
I was thinking about the statue, what could have happened to it??? Cause now it's only one foot, where's the rest? I've been wondering this too! It was intact in the 1800s when the Black Rock arrived...do you think it has something to do with the active volcano that they mentioned in Ben's classroom in TMBTC? They've never really returned to that, but made a point of including it in the episode... or, maybe the incident also caused an earthquake that toppled it? Good ideas, I thought it might have been the H-Bomb, if it exploded in 1977. They haven't shown if the statue was still there 1977  . I found this pic, which supports the volcano explosion:  There was also this (below) on the classroom, any ideas what it shows? These images are from season 5.  |
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