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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2009 14:41:05 GMT -4
Wow, those are from Season 5? Totally missed them. Which ep or eps? Great finds. I SO want to know what happened to the statue. I really think it is the result of the 1977 incident. And I wonder if that's what set up the tilt in the balance of power, allowing Jacob's rival/nemesis (ol' Loophole) to get the upper hand. This one makes me think it's showing a meteor impact:  It occurs to me that the Lost storytellers are presenting us with the dilemma of how fate/destiny affects things, but it might mean that all the things that happened to our Losties never happened, and some of that's good for them, and some of it not. So what do you choose? The greater good or what works out for you? |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2009 14:42:24 GMT -4
Oh, and I love the instructions on the blackboard on how to read Egyptian hieroglyphics. Sweet!
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Post by tigerlily on May 21, 2009 15:03:01 GMT -4
It occurs to me that the Lost storytellers are presenting us with the dilemma of how fate/destiny affects things, but it might mean that all the things that happened to our Losties never happened, and some of that's good for them, and some of it not. So what do you choose? The greater good or what works out for you? If free will is indeed at work here, or some combination of free will AND fate, then it seems that both Juliet, by detonating Jughead, and Charlie, by going through the Looking Glass, made choices for the greater good. Sayid's situation is a bit murkier. He made the choice to kill Ben, believing it would save a whole lot of lives down the road, but it was also personal vengeance because Ben made him the monster that he feels he has become. Jack is murky as well - his choice to detonate Jughead was both selfish and selfless. oh my goodness. I'll never get tired of dissecting this finale!!!  |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2009 15:10:08 GMT -4
I agree, tigerlily. I keep watching the opening scene with Jacob and Loophole and I just get blown away each time with the details: - The sounds and rhythms of spinning the yarn. There are several going on, and they aren't in sync; yet they work so well together.
- The fire in the pit which doesn't seem to be burning anything, but just seems to be there of its own accord.
- And what MIGHT be a continuity issue: Jacob seeming to go into the water to get the fish, and yet his clothes are already wet. Looks like they shot the scene several times. But sometimes what seems a production flaw is not. TPTB have done that to us before.
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Post by inia on May 21, 2009 15:19:46 GMT -4
Pics are from "Some like it Hoth", the classroom scene with Jack and Roger.
The lower picture is weird. I don't think it shows the movements of earth around the sun, I doesn't look like movement map of moon or a comet either. The another pic over the sun pic looks like a comet impact but...no.
I don't know. The lowest pic has waves in it...
"Dharma science makes my brain hurt!"
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Post by bobdoc on May 21, 2009 18:06:18 GMT -4
I was looking at the opening scene of "Raised By Another" on Sci-Fi today, and now it has an even bigger context. If you remember, Claire was told by a dream Locke that "everyone pays the price now" after Claire gave her baby away. At the time, it refered to Claire's plan to give Aaron away for adoption.
But after S5, we're in a time where Claire left Aaron behind for real, where Kate took him off the island, where there might have been grave consequences for the island with Aaron gone, depending on his importance- and where Claire left Aaron behind because of Christian, who was probably Jacob's enemy all along. And that S1 dream sequence warning was given by Locke- whom Jacob's enemy is posing as now. And dream Locke in that scene had one white and one black eye- symbolism that this episode beat us over the head with.
There is no way TPTB envisioned all this happening in the four years after that scene- and I would have called them liars if they ever did say it. But in the context of this episode, that very early scene now looks more relevant than ever.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2009 7:41:34 GMT -4
Just a little tidbit: Lapidus' line when Ilana has the box opened. He said "Terrific." First time I heard that, I thought it was cheesy. It was the same thing Charlie said in the pilot when the Monster first revealed itself to the Losties. I wonder if it's a nod to the fact that the role that Charlie played is now being filled by Lapidus. Charlie wasn't special or have a connection to the island or Dharma as the other Losties, but he played witness and protector. Maybe that's what Lapidus is? He's taking Charlie's place.
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Post by lostali75 on May 22, 2009 8:20:29 GMT -4
that's a neat connection. Lapidus=Charlie. I loved the line though. He figured he'd seen so much happen already, he took the knowledge with such ease lol
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Post by Nuala on Jun 4, 2009 18:52:58 GMT -4
this morinig i was in a meeting and while everybody was talking about our job and all, i was thinking about LOST and i came with a theory, it's crazy, but hey, this is LOST we are talking about.
How about Walt being killed by accident when he was in Room 23 but Anti-Jacob entered his body as his loophole?? But he wasn't counting on the Others letting Walt and Michael go off the Island. So then when Locke visits Walt in NY Anti-Jacob kinda travels to Locke's body or escense or whatever and that's why he, Anti-Jacob, makes Locke wants to kill himself, so he has fully power over Locke's body. Then Ben comes along and he tells the real Locke that he might have convinced Jack to return to the Island and all so Locke doesn't want to kill himself anymore. And after hearing that they were going back and Ben taking care of Locke's life, why bother to space-travel or whatever he does to get back to the Island??? Ben and Co. where taking him there anyway. So he just needed to lie in Lockes body and wait. And that was his loophole.
The only thing it don't get is why Locke??? If he wanted a dead body he could have used Boone's or Shannon's or some other dude. Maybe Locke is special, not as an Other-leader special, but interesting enough for Jacob to bring him back to life and for Anti-Jacob to use his body.
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Post by bobdoc on Jun 4, 2009 20:10:35 GMT -4
The even more puzzling thing is that all this could have been avoided if Ben had not killed the original Locke in the first place. Unlike when Ben stabbed Jacob, neither Jacob or his enemy seemed to have influenced him to kill Locke- it was just Ben using a last ditch effort to get rid of Locke, get everyone back, and keep his power. If Ben had a little more self-control and less vengefulness- the same qualities that also made him stab Jacob- then Jacob's foe wouldn't have had his loophole.
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Post by Nuala on Jun 5, 2009 11:42:43 GMT -4
The even more puzzling thing is that all this could have been avoided if Ben had not killed the original Locke in the first place. Unlike when Ben stabbed Jacob, neither Jacob or his enemy seemed to have influenced him to kill Locke- it was just Ben using a last ditch effort to get rid of Locke, get everyone back, and keep his power. If Ben had a little more self-control and less vengefulness- the same qualities that also made him stab Jacob- then Jacob's foe wouldn't have had his loophole. I have always said that Ben was really doing everything for the Island, but when Alex was killed then he started to do things on his own... but how about Jacob wanting Ben to kill him??? Cause if Jacob was this sorta god or supreme being or whatever, he could avoid Ben's stabings or he could have sent Ben flying through the room or something, not just stand there and be stabed. Cause that would mean Anti-Jacob was right about ppl: they only want to fight and no one is good. Maybe all that happened was planned that way by Jacob since god know how long. I can't think why and when i try harder, my head hurts. Or, as a friend told me, maybe we are focusing on Jacob and Anti-Jacob too much, cause remember at the beginning when Jacob is fishing he catches a red herring Well, maybe we are being distracted on them and forgetting something really important with the other characters... |
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Post by pedanticbohemian on Jun 5, 2009 15:22:42 GMT -4
My theory is that this is a centuries--or perhaps millennia-old--long con on Jacob's part. I feel the red herring is the white/black clothing. I suspect Jacob is the force of evil and man-in-black might actually be Aaron and the "good guy." I also think Man in Black has watched Jacob and Smokey's use of Ben and known he was going to be the loophole he's been waiting for. He used Jacob's own plan against him, sensing Locke's "susceptibility to coercion." I doubt Jacob is dead or even able to be killed, any more than Man in Black can be--hence my theory of the timelessness of this struggle. In the end, all the human/mortal people are just the chess pieces between these two immortals trying to prove a point to each other. God may not play at dice, but apparently he has a passion for chess, in the Lost universe at least. LOL
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Post by lostali75 on Jun 5, 2009 15:27:00 GMT -4
NOT Lostpedia - but some other sources say that Jacob's nemesis is named Samuel. I'm not wholeheartedly sure as to how this info was obtained........
I'm off to hunt this out................
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Post by Nuala on Jun 5, 2009 17:45:30 GMT -4
yeah, i've heard about that too... and another Biblibal name... weired...
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Post by bobdoc on Jun 9, 2009 18:55:14 GMT -4
Michael said that he expected the ending of Lost to be something that was in front of us the entire time, and we wouldn't see it until the end. I feel like they did that exact trick with this finale- since fake Locke was in front of us the whole time and we didn't see him coming. In fact, fake Locke/Esau/anti-Jacob has been in front of us the whole time in this series- assuming he is the mastermind behind the smoke monster, Christian, Ben's judgment, the cabin, and all those other things attributed to him now- and we didn't see it. So Michael's concept of the Lost series ending may have happened about a season early.
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Well, maybe we are being distracted on them and forgetting something really important with the other characters...