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Post by melissaq9 on May 24, 2010 1:16:04 GMT -4
I don't think Vincent died. He was just there to be with Jack when he died. I think the island continued on for some time until Ben and Hurley eventually died as well. Hurley mentioned Ben being a great second to him and that would only make sense if Hurley had his chance to protect the island. We don't know how much time actually passed between everybody's passing in the flash sideways. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2010 2:13:03 GMT -4
But does Ben's not going into the church mean he hadn't died or that he was just not a part of the group. |
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Post by hedera on May 24, 2010 5:45:46 GMT -4
I thought that maybe it wasn't his time, that he would go with another group, (like Daniel Faraday not going with Desmond). I'm just glad he got out from under the tree!
I actually found 'The End' very moving, especially when Vincent came to Jack(even the boyfriend teared up then!)
There was a lot that wasn't answered for me, but hey waddayagonnado? |
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Post by caz (Caroline) on May 24, 2010 7:55:56 GMT -4
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have never cried so much in my entire life, The Finale was so moving, but I am quite disappointed too. Can anyone clear this up for me....My dad keeps saying that they all died when Oceanic 815 crashed?  ? If so all that happened on the Island wasn't real. |
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Post by bobdoc on May 24, 2010 9:25:11 GMT -4
Don't worry, your dad is wrong. Christian explicity said that everything the survivors experienced was real. They did not die on 815, and everything that happened on the island happened. Once all of them finally died - some of them well after Jack- the sideways world kicked in.
mythicfeline: Ben is indeed dead, but was probably one of the last to go. I think he realizes he hasn't earned the right to move on yet, and is staying around until he finally moves on and lets go - or he just doesn't want to leave his purgatory life yet. |
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Post by gswoody on May 24, 2010 9:31:51 GMT -4
Maybe I'm looking for things to have too much of a "logical" answer, but I was really disappointed. I understand that they were all dead at the end and the flash-sideways were glimpses of what their lives would have been like and kind of a purgatory, but I feel cheated! They hooked viewers with all the mysteries of the island and then answered none of it. Kind of like what was the point of throwing all the mysteries at us to say 'well they really didn't matter.' Maybe I'm simple but I wanted to know what the island was. Why the donkey wheel? Why the time travel stuff? Who was Widmore and why did he want the island? What about Chang, Candle, Hanso, whoever he was? Why so many different names? What was the sickness? Who built the statue? Why, when they recruited Juliet, did they show her an ultrasound image of a uterus that looked like a 70-year-old's but belonged to someone who was 26? What was that all about? Why were pregnant women dying? Who were the others? Why was the Black rock important? What was the point of Danielle? What was the temple? Why did the other's need Jack, Kate, and Sawyer, Etc. I have gone on too long already! I was just disappointed that it was more like 'the time on the island happened to them and they all loved each other so much that they made a pact that they would all wait for each other so they could go to Heaven together, no matter when they died.' Please correct me if I'm wrong! I thought the ending was sweet and emotional, but why did they bother with some of the other seasons when they probably could have wrapped it up in 3 seasons?/spoiler] |
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Post by gswoody on May 24, 2010 9:35:23 GMT -4
;)P.S. Michael looked extremely HOT in his last scene outside the church when he was talking to John! |
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Post by benlinusisagoodguy on May 24, 2010 10:58:00 GMT -4
i have just watched it. A little frustrated but i think they ended it well. I'm so happy/proud of ben.
its a shame they didn't answer much. But i still enjoyed the episode. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2010 12:25:17 GMT -4
Don't worry, your dad is wrong. Christian explicity said that everything the survivors experienced was real. They did not die on 815, and everything that happened on the island happened. Once all of them finally died - some of them well after Jack- the sideways world kicked in.
mythicfeline: Ben is indeed dead, but was probably one of the last to go. I think he realizes he hasn't earned the right to move on yet, and is staying around until he finally moves on and lets go - or he just doesn't want to leave his purgatory life yet. Well, I still say it's all a bit lame. I suppose the writers thought they were giving each of us the freedom to draw our own conclusions. Well, as far as I'm concerned that works, to a limited extent, with modern art. But at some point, I get fed up with an artist's inability to commit to a vision. And I feel the same with writing and story-telling. Make your case. Commit to the story. It's called creative courage. I see a lot less of it in this risk-averse, ad-soaked world of ours.
It's not on the scale of "The Sopranos" but it's close. What frustrates me or just makes me angry and suspect these guys have commitment issues or outright ADHD or is that when fans were floating out the purgatory and limbo themes seasons back, the showrunners were very emphatic that the show was most certainly not about that. |
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Post by Edith S. Baker on May 24, 2010 13:13:21 GMT -4
I missed that Michael had left earlier. He also left the concert thing without saying "Hi" to the fans or signing autographs, posing for pix, I had read. Maybe he's backing away from the TV stuff and trying to slip back into his pre-Lost life. Michael had another engagement to go to. He went to an after-LOST party thrown by my friends Jay and Jack Gladfelter of the Jay and Jack podcast fame. |
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Post by tigerlily on May 24, 2010 13:18:38 GMT -4
I am utterly speechless. I am so caught up in the emotional rawness of the reunions that I'm finding it hard to properly judge how I feel about the story as a whole. I think I need some distance from it before I can really form an opinion. At the moment, I am thoroughly satisfied with what they gave us, and even though there are big mysteries left unresolved I found the characters' stories more compelling than the big unanswered questions. That will probably change over time, though. most of all, I am intrigued by the afterlife conception that have portrayed. It's fascinating to me. |
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Post by tigerlily on May 24, 2010 13:20:01 GMT -4
I also can't stop crying, every time I think about it.
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Post by bobdoc on May 24, 2010 14:16:57 GMT -4
What frustrates me or just makes me angry and suspect these guys have commitment issues or outright ADHD or is that when fans were floating out the purgatory and limbo themes seasons back, the showrunners were very emphatic that the show was most certainly not about that. The vast majority of the show is not about that, and the island experiences that make up most of the show are not about that. Only the epilogue is, and the epilogue isn't the entire show. And if that was the epilogue all along, they had to keep denying it as long as they did, otherwise more people would guess the ending. Of course, maybe that would have helped somewhat.... |
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Post by flummery on May 24, 2010 14:53:21 GMT -4
I am utterly speechless. I am so caught up in the emotional rawness of the reunions that I'm finding it hard to properly judge how I feel about the story as a whole. I think I need some distance from it before I can really form an opinion. At the moment, I am thoroughly satisfied with what they gave us, and even though there are big mysteries left unresolved I found the characters' stories more compelling than the big unanswered questions. That will probably change over time, though. most of all, I am intrigued by the afterlife conception that have portrayed. It's fascinating to me. ^This mirrors my thoughts the closest. In addition...
While I've certainly become a fan of Lost in general over the years, and wanted answers to the big questions, my main concern going into the finale—what I thought would make or break the show for me—was Ben's fate. Would he go out in a blaze of glory? Would he find redemption for his bad acts? Would he find peace as a person? Ben saves Hurley, becomes his right-hand man on the Island, ends up in purgatory and is invited into the church but decides to hang back and sort some things out. The entire thing is so simple, and so complicated, and so different from the first half of Ben's life, and so similar. It just feels right. Michael was right about it being quiet and soulful and satisfying. And how awesome is it that Ben actually made it to the end? We've been paranoid about him dying since he showed up. I feel like we lucked out.
I was also hoping that when the show ended, I would want to go back to season one and watch it all again with a completely different outlook. And maybe be like, "Oh, yeah, this all makes sense now."
The "everything making sense" thing isn't going to happen, and for now, I'm okay with that. I do want to re-watch the whole series. I feel like I need to watch the final season again before I can go through it all again, though.
As for rating the episode, I'm not sure I accurately can.
With how I felt watching it, and how hard it hit me, I'd give it a 10. I feel like my favorite moment in all of Lost was when Hurley asked Ben to help him take care of the Island. I rarely get teary watching anything, but that got me, harder than any scene on TV or in movies has before. Not just because of Ben, but because of Hurley, the changes in each of them and the connection between them. Ultimately, so many big questions were left unanswered, I don't know what I'm going to think down the line, so maybe I'd give it a lower rating for uncertainty.
...Or maybe not. |
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Post by tigerlily on May 24, 2010 14:53:30 GMT -4
What frustrates me or just makes me angry and suspect these guys have commitment issues or outright ADHD or is that when fans were floating out the purgatory and limbo themes seasons back, the showrunners were very emphatic that the show was most certainly not about that. The vast majority of the show is not about that, and the island experiences that make up most of the show are not about that. Only the epilogue is, and the epilogue isn't the entire show. And if that was the epilogue all along, they had to keep denying it as long as they did, otherwise more people would guess the ending. Of course, maybe that would have helped somewhat....
I think they said that the island isn't purgatory or limbo, and it still isn't - the island is the reality, and whatever happened there really happened. Only the flash-sideways world or, according to some perspectives, only the church where they meet in the end, is really a limbo world. I don't think Darlton misled us at all. The show has always been about redemption, which echoes themes of purgatory, but that's not the whole story either. What they have said all along, and what they hammered into us with last night's sobfest, is that the show is about the characters' relationships.
I was so thrilled that in the end, it wasn't Jack and Kate reuniting that triggered Jack's "letting go" moment - for him it was his father's casket, and for Kate it was Claire giving birth. Although they were happy to find each other, it wasn't their sole purpose.
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? If so all that happened on the Island wasn't real. 
