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Post by greenleaf on Mar 8, 2007 11:56:45 GMT -4
It seemes to me that The scientists regard the Others/Hostiles as an enigma. what is going on in this show!? Maybe the Dharma scientists had a disagreement about certain procedures. Maybe there were some Dharma scientists that were more radical and barbaric and so they formed their own group. Maybe they think they are doing good for humanity and so on, but they are really mad scientists. The good scientists may be trying to keep the bad ones from using any equipment or something like that that would explain why they would go to such lengths as installing a self destruct in certain stations. Maybe the bad group is the others. Others cannot be bad because they are headed by Ben! Also remember, that Michael Emerson spoke, that there are on island people much the worse than Others. I believe him!!
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Post by linus108 on Mar 8, 2007 11:57:59 GMT -4
Maybe the Dharma scientists had a disagreement about certain procedures. Maybe there were some Dharma scientists that were more radical and barbaric and so they formed their own group. Maybe they think they are doing good for humanity and so on, but they are really mad scientists. The good scientists may be trying to keep the bad ones from using any equipment or something like that that would explain why they would go to such lengths as installing a self destruct in certain stations. Maybe the bad group is the others. Others cannot be bad because they are headed by Ben! Also remember, that Michael Emerson spoke, that there are on island people much the worse than Others. I believe him!! i hope u are right! greenleaf, where did Michael say that?
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Post by greenleaf on Mar 8, 2007 12:07:34 GMT -4
Others cannot be bad because they are headed by Ben! Also remember, that Michael Emerson spoke, that there are on island people much the worse than Others. I believe him!! i hope u are right! greenleaf, where did Michael say that? He many times spoke about it in various interview.. That there are other terrible people. And Mr. Lindelof too spoke, that there are other Others
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Post by linus108 on Mar 8, 2007 12:08:47 GMT -4
i hope u are right! greenleaf, where did Michael say that? He many times spoke about it in various interview.. That there are other terrible people. And Mr. Lindelof too spoke, that there are other Others thanks! i hope our beautiful Ben is a good guy!
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Post by rednymph234 on Mar 8, 2007 12:12:37 GMT -4
Maybe the Dharma scientists had a disagreement about certain procedures. Maybe there were some Dharma scientists that were more radical and barbaric and so they formed their own group. Maybe they think they are doing good for humanity and so on, but they are really mad scientists. The good scientists may be trying to keep the bad ones from using any equipment or something like that that would explain why they would go to such lengths as installing a self destruct in certain stations. Maybe the bad group is the others. Others cannot be bad because they are headed by Ben! Also remember, that Michael Emerson spoke, that there are on island people much the worse than Others. I believe him!! Seriously? he said this? I can't remember, but that is awesome! i think that everything ben said was the truth....like Captain jack Sparrow! He always says the truth yet people are always amazed! Ben is saying the truth, or his truth, yet Jack and the Losties won't beleive him. I suppose fact is stranger than fiction.
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Post by Edith S. Baker on Mar 8, 2007 12:12:50 GMT -4
Let's face it. Ben is a liar. The others may just be bad guys that think they are doing right. Freedom fighters that don't realize that they are actually Hostiles. .. .kinda' like America. Interesting comment you have here, Pez. I wrote an essay on that thought on Feb. 24, which I am pasting here for you to read (if you care to, of course): Stranger in a Strange Land--A sociopolitical analysisA lot of people will think that the episode "Stranger in a Strange Land" downright bad. Not I, I think this episode will be a very pivotal episode that will change how we think of the Others, the LOSTies, and maybe our lives in general. This episode made me start thinking that maybe I am not watching the show with the right attitude. I think that LOST also touches upon social commentaries about us and the world around us. Throughout the two completed seasons and now, as the third season unfolds, I always got the idea that the show has some religious-based message, some sci-fi undertones, and something else. I couldn’t put my finger on the something else. The "Stranger in a Strange Land" episode just clenched it for me. Of course, as any theory that anybody develops about LOST, mine may be shot down to oblivion once the next episode comes along. However, I think I will get to keep this theory for a while, as it has been lurking in my thoughts for a while now. In the scene whereupon Sawyer and Kate ask Karl about the kidnappings, Karl reveals that the children are taken and given a better life than the LOSTies have. I got the impression that Karl was very condescending, and the my-life-is-better-than-your-life attitude was very prevalent. I got the same impression from Goodwin when, in he beginning of Season 2, he told Ana Lucia that the kidnapped children are in a better place now. We may think, while watching, that perhaps the children were taken off to a place with plumbing, food supply, medical attention, etc. Hence, they are better off. Not I, I took the message to mean something very demeaning, and I thought I was just being supersensitive. Then I heard Godwin and Henry say that they are the "Good Guys." The two statements “better off” and “Good Guys” got me thinking. And the condescending remark coming from someone who has been beaten by his own people (Karl), clinched it for me. We should view LOST as a political commentary as well. Don’t all countries have the attitude "We are better than others"? For example, let us look at our own backyard: Doesn't our government's administration attack other countries and “encourage” them to be a democratic society? Aren't we always positive about democracy being a better form of government? Don’t we consider ourselves to be the good guys, while we are bombing and killing people overseas? Don’t we find it hard to believe that anyone would consider us the enemies? Aren’t we arrogant enough to go to other countries, fiddle with their economy, and then cry out that they are the enemy when they rebel against us? I know that what I am saying is not going to be taken very well, but I think that LOST is telling us something: In one of the beginning scenes, Jack is being moved from the aquarium to give room to Juliet, but he thinks he is being moved to be killed. Tom says, "What kind of people do you think we are, Jack?" To this, Jack replies, "I don't know, Tom. What kind of people would take a pregnant woman; hang Charlie from a tree; would drag our people out of the jungle; who'd kidnap our children? That's the kind of people I think you are." Tom walks over to the glass of the aquarium, taps it, and says, "You see this glass house you are living in Jack? How about I get you some stones?" So which side is guilty? Who is the bad guy? Who is the good guy? Now, don’t get me wrong. There’s more to LOST than this social commentary. But I think that we should really look into the show’s deeper sociopolitico meaning. All in all, I did like this show. It was not as spectacular as "Flashes before Your Eyes." But "Stranger in a Strange Land" did not give me the headaches I felt with "Flashes before Your Eyes." It did give me lots of things to think about. It satisfied my curiosity about the Others and how they live, their government. I got to see Ben (a character that I just adore). What more can I ask for? Next week, we will see "Tricia Tanaka Is Dead," which is Hurleycentric and, chances are, will be a humorous episode. Originally posted here: spicedogs.livejournal.com/68575.html
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Post by rednymph234 on Mar 8, 2007 12:16:06 GMT -4
esbaker that was very enlightening and sounded very plausible
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Post by katm0855 on Mar 8, 2007 22:13:19 GMT -4
Great article esbaker! Remember, Sometimes writers need to go out into the darkness/unknown, we venture out there with an idea. We're unsure of where it will lead us. Do we go right or left? But every so often, it will give off this flicker of light. This small glimmer is the hope and fuel that we crave to continue onward in our journey. Where we end up, who knows? But it's the ride that gives us life! (Just a gentle reminder of the emails we shared on this ) Keep up the writing! You have such a talent with it!
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Post by katm0855 on Mar 8, 2007 22:15:44 GMT -4
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Post by Edith S. Baker on Mar 9, 2007 0:35:03 GMT -4
Great article esbaker! Keep up the writing! You have such a talent with it! Thanks. And so do you.
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Post by rednymph234 on Mar 9, 2007 1:09:04 GMT -4
I just found something out:
The episode after Par Avion or whatever the title is.....two weeks from now:
Title: 3x13: The Man from Tallahassee Start Time: 10:00 PM EASTERN Duration: 01 hour(s) 00 minutes(s) Location: ABC Network Category: Episodes
Other Information: "The Man from Tallahassee" - Ben tries to persuade a determined Locke to call off his destructive plan by offering him some of the secrets of the island, and Kate's reunion with Jack does not go off as planned when she discovers that he has made a deal with "The Others," on "Lost," WEDNESDAY, MARCH 21 (10:00-11:00 p.m., ET), on the ABC Television Network.
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Post by rednymph234 on Mar 9, 2007 1:11:05 GMT -4
Sadly i don't think Ben is in the next episode:
Title: 3x12: Par Avion Start Time: 10:00 PM EASTERN Duration: 01 hour(s) 00 minutes(s) Location: ABC Network Category: Episodes
Other Information: "Par Avion" - Claire becomes suspicious of Charlie when he exhibits peculiar behavior after she comes up with an idea that could get everybody rescued. Meanwhile, tensions mount between Sayid and Locke as they continue their trek to rescue Jack, on "Lost," WEDNESDAY, MARCH 14 (10:00-11:00 p.m., ET), on the ABC Television Network.
He just may have a bit, and that is good enough for me....if not....death to lost!!!!
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Post by kiagary on Mar 9, 2007 5:48:40 GMT -4
Oh! I hope Ben has a little part in next epi, too... I can't bear another week without him!!! >:-( Anyway, "The man from Tallahassee! sounds pretty good! ;D Ben&Locke together again! Can't wait! btw, Locke is so dumb right now that I think Ben could tell him he's Cindarella and John would believe it...
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Post by pez on Mar 9, 2007 9:59:27 GMT -4
Thanks for posting that esbaker! You really have a great writing talent! Nice in depth understanding there. (edit: sorry I always mis spell things I fixeded yur name. :U )
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Post by sailornova on Mar 10, 2007 0:37:05 GMT -4
Was Locke acting stupid or does his actions in this episode have meaning? Sometimes I'm not sure? It was the way he was looking at the computer and seemed to be thinking about what would happen if he were to punch in the right response? He was trying to think like an other but having no real idea of who they are, got in the way! In the end he almost looked like he knew that the station would blow up and that's what he wanted to have happen for some strange reason! Locke thought it was the right thing to do....but why? I typed in 7, 7....
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