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Post by bobdoc on Mar 3, 2010 21:52:19 GMT -4
If Jacob's side is the good one, it is the most incompetant good side ever - or the one least concerned about collateral damage. It's Jacob's fault Sayid got claimed in the first place, since he got Hurley to get him to the Temple, even though he must have known that the spring would claim him. It's also Dogen's fault that Sayid set up the Temple attack to begin with, since if he hadn't sent Sayid to kill/get killed by the monster, Sayid wouldn't have then been convinced to kill Dogen and start the Temple slaughter.
They let one of their prime candidates turn evil, and got all their followers killed or converted - and they still represent the light side? Either it had to happen this way for the ultimate victory, or they're just bumbling through here. Considering how MIB is as much of a mastermind as even Ben himself, that's not how you want to play against him. |
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Post by caz (Caroline) on Mar 3, 2010 22:21:23 GMT -4
After going on IMDB earlier I noticed it says Ben has had 76 episodes *How can that be???*  |
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Post by dkiddo on Mar 3, 2010 23:01:09 GMT -4
So Sayid is a ruthless killer...we sort of already knew this.....  I like Terry's evil smile ;D Can't stand fatass Ilana.Gah, I'm so tired of seeing Ben so damn underused!!
Bring on his centric already!Agreed, I CAN0T WAIT 'TIL NEXT WEEK TO SEE "DR LINUS"   |
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Post by Edith S. Baker on Mar 3, 2010 23:09:55 GMT -4
Screencaps are up. there are only 22 caps of Ben only  More and larger versions are located here. Screencaps of the entire episode are located here. |
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Post by inia on Mar 4, 2010 2:19:05 GMT -4
Thank God Sayid for killing Dogen and that "John Lennon" guy, I hated them from the beginning! The episode was quite boring, when thinking afterwards. There was action, but mostly meaningless action. Still, I'm happy where it ended, they are on the move again! I didn't like the Temple nor its inhabitants, so slaughtering them made me felt...nothing? And then Ben showed up, it felt like a sudden sunshine on a cloudy day! He was the rescuer of the whole episode. (And Ilana, i like Ilana). I liked the way Ben talked to Sayid and then noticed something was wrong with him, walked backwards and ran away.  |
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Post by lostali75 on Mar 4, 2010 11:22:34 GMT -4
SSSOOOO much lost love for LOST around here  |
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Post by benobsessed on Mar 4, 2010 15:15:20 GMT -4
SSSOOOO much lost love for LOST around here The writers seem to have absolutely no idea what they are doing. Are they smoking crack? The best actor on the show has been seriously underused and we end up with more characters being introduced to who frankly I couldn't care if they died ie Jackass's son. What is the point? If he was important why have they waited until the final season? It's all getting a bit rediculous and hashed together |
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Post by Edith S. Baker on Mar 4, 2010 15:50:52 GMT -4
SSSOOOO much lost love for LOST around here The writers seem to have absolutely no idea what they are doing. Are they smoking crack? The best actor on the show has been seriously underused and we end up with more characters being introduced to who frankly I couldn't care if they died ie Jackass's son. What is the point? If he was important why have they waited until the final season? It's all getting a bit rediculous and hashed together I strongly disagree. I'm putting this under spoiler tag, because I am using examples from Sundown: We needed Dogen. He gave us vital information about Jacob (whom we heard about from Season 3). We learned that Jacob brings people to the island. Dogen was brought there to atone for a sin he committed. He killed his son while driving intoxicated. So, in order to allow his son to live, Dogen sacrificied his life off the island to be the protector from evil. Flocke could not do any damage while Dogen was alive. There are three things that kept Flocke at bay:
1. Jacob
2. The ash
3. Dogen
With all three gone, now Flocke has power.
At the same time, we are learning that Flocke, like Jacob, negotiates with others to have them come to his side. Jacob provides life, Flocke removes life.
Without the new characters, how could we have learned this important information.
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Post by lostali75 on Mar 4, 2010 16:01:16 GMT -4
The writers seem to have absolutely no idea what they are doing. Are they smoking crack? The best actor on the show has been seriously underused and we end up with more characters being introduced to who frankly I couldn't care if they died ie Jackass's son. What is the point? If he was important why have they waited until the final season? It's all getting a bit rediculous and hashed together I strongly disagree. I'm putting this under spoiler tag, because I am using examples from Sundown: We needed Dogen. He gave us vital information about Jacob (whom we heard about from Season 3). We learned that Jacob brings people to the island. Dogen was brought there to atone for a sin he committed. He killed his son while driving intoxicated. So, in order to allow his son to live, Dogen sacrificied his life off the island to be the protector from evil. Flocke could not do any damage while Dogen was alive. There are three things that kept Flocke at bay:
1. Jacob
2. The ash
3. Dogen
With all three gone, now Flocke has power.
At the same time, we are learning that Flocke, like Jacob, negotiates with others to have them come to his side. Jacob provides life, Flocke removes life.
Without the new characters, how could we have learned this important information.
Jack's son is important becasue it shows the contrast - the point of the Flash-sideways is to present you what their lives are like without the Island. I think so many people built themselves up for a HUGE epic ending and are letting themselves down by expecting so much. I feel this season is no different than 3 or 5. I am enjoying the immensely ;D |
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Post by benobsessed on Mar 4, 2010 16:09:06 GMT -4
But what about all of the other stuff thats important that we want to know about? Jackass can drown in his JEARS for all I care, he's had far too much screen time as it is. I liked Dogen. Another example of DARLTON and co bringing in a decent actor only to have him killed off relatively quickly. Sayid should have died. His flash sideways was whiny and pointless. We learnt nothing new there. To me all of this is wasting valuable time.
Why has Ben been built up to be a bad ass main character only to be shoved to the sidelines? This is exactly what happened to Charlie. Darlton have done just as big a job of "bigging up" the final season. The premiere was disasterous in my eyes. They seem to have lost their ability to tell a decent story and are floundering helplessly atm. I'm ready to give up on it, especially if Ben/ Michael is given a naff script in the next couple of episodes |
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Post by Edith S. Baker on Mar 4, 2010 16:27:42 GMT -4
I like Mike/Ben, there's no question about it, Steph, but I think that they are showing us that there are powers on the island that put Ben in the inoffensive-small-scale criminal. These creatures that were introduced in end of S5 (Jacob and friend) are evil and dangerous. I am not at all convinced that Jacob is good, but he is not as evil as the other one. Anyway, Ben will have his day during the next episode.
You have to think about LOST as a book. Each chapter on its own is OK, but the sum at the end that makes the story good. Let us not jump to conclusions before it is over. If you still fell the way you do after the end of the show, then maybe you have something concrete. But right now, the only thing I can say is that the pendulum is not going the way you wanted it to go. But it's their story. They have to tell it before we can condemn it.
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Post by benobsessed on Mar 4, 2010 16:37:52 GMT -4
It's got nothing to do with the pendulum not swinging the way I want it too. I just don't see the point in having been led up the garden path for 5 seasons, for them to turn it on it's head and go completely down another. If I had my way Jackass and co would have been long dead.
There are many others who feel exactly the same as I do.
I'm just saying that I think the story has completely lost its edge and they seem to have absolutely no idea what they are doing and the episodes do not bring any excitement whatsoever to me. IMO the whole thing began to slip after S3 but now it's completely lost the plot
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Post by shimaa on Mar 4, 2010 17:00:10 GMT -4
I think that the popularity of this series is somewhat in danger because the plot of the events have become disconnected with the Increased in the character
that have no active role in the events it has become difficult to understand what is happening and I think that the authors did not find something new
to increase the interesting events The work to increase the
character in the show more harmful than useful.........................
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Post by bobdoc on Mar 4, 2010 19:33:38 GMT -4
Fans seem to get particularly frustrated with the show when it spends lots of time imprisoning/sticking characters somewhere for several eps - i.e the hatch for much of Season 2, the Hydra Island to start Season 3, Jack and company in 1977 DHARMA in Season 5, and the Temple to start Season 6.
But the time stuck in the hatch eventually yielded Desmond and his all important story, the Hydra stuff introduced Juliet and established Ben as the leader, and the DHARMA stuff showed young Ben's origins....then educated more Lost fans on why Jack and Kate are useless. Now we'll see what long term treasures come out of this segment- the best things usually come just before us doubting Thomas's throw in the towel.
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Post by meegat on Mar 4, 2010 20:45:12 GMT -4
I'd agree about it "losing the plot". Season 5 was iffy...Season 6 is bad.
Next week will go a very long way as to whether I continue with the show - or purely watch Michael's scenes.
I've practically stopped caring what happens in the show now because there are so many characters I dislike.
I've had the awful thought for some time that they're just pulling it out of their behinds as they go along.
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