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Post by bobdoc on Mar 5, 2010 20:40:21 GMT -4
Richard and company: Don't be so quick to think Richard lost his importance - his time, as well as Ben's, is going to come very soon.
Dogen: Still too many things they didn't answer on him - especially with that out of nowhere twist about him keeping the monster out instead of the ash. But it is a little ironic that after so many actors got into DUI's in real life, they finally had a character on screen who had that same problem, then got killed moments later.
Forming sides: This is something that's going to have to take the whole season, since this is an epic war between good and evil in all the characters, and in all humanity. They're probably going to flip a few times, just as we keep flipping on whether Jacob or Smokey is the right side, before the final battle certain to come in the finale.
And you did not dream Darlton saying that the volcano and Annie would be important- they said so in the commentary for MBTC, and also said the Goodspeeds would be important as well. Yet none of this has come to pass and may not come to pass- this I would like to ask Darlton about, if I could.
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Post by caz (Caroline) on Mar 5, 2010 20:58:09 GMT -4
Richard and company: Don't be so quick to think Richard lost his importance - his time, as well as Ben's, is going to come very soon. Dogen: Still too many things they didn't answer on him - especially with that out of nowhere twist about him keeping the monster out instead of the ash. But it is a little ironic that after so many actors got into DUI's in real life, they finally had a character on screen who had that same problem, then got killed moments later. Forming sides: This is something that's going to have to take the whole season, since this is an epic war between good and evil in all the characters, and in all humanity. They're probably going to flip a few times, just as we keep flipping on whether Jacob or Smokey is the right side, before the final battle certain to come in the finale. And you did not dream Darlton saying that the volcano and Annie would be important- they said so in the commentary for MBTC, and also said the Goodspeeds would be important as well. Yet none of this has come to pass and may not come to pass- this I would like to ask Darlton about, if I could. Yeah I remember listening to that commentary and hoped it would be shown in S4 but NOTHING... and then nothing in S5. So why mention something like that if their not gonna bother telling those stories *I was looking forward to finding out more about Annie and her relationship with Ben*. She was obviously someone really special/important to him as he kept the carved doll all his life. It would have been nice if they carried on with the flashbacks rather than the flashsideways. |
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Post by bobdoc on Mar 5, 2010 21:04:52 GMT -4
That would have filled one flashback, but there wouldn't have been enough flashback material left to fill an entire season- just half of one, if they focused on the mystery characters. The regulars certainly had no more flashback material to go over- and even if you don't like the flash-sideways, they still have more potential than one more traditional flashback for the main gang.
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Post by caz (Caroline) on Mar 5, 2010 21:10:47 GMT -4
I do like the flashsideways but so much is going to be left unanswered and it's probably gonna feel rushed, they should have taken more time or maybe extend the series. I just feel i'm going to be a little disappointed *But I could be wrong* this season might just blow us all away  |
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Post by caz (Caroline) on Mar 5, 2010 21:14:56 GMT -4
And after watching tonights ep I felt it's finally moving along and should expect big things to start happening soon.
*I absolutely cannot wait for Dr Linus* I've already voted for that in my head LoL 10/10 ;D
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Post by tigerlily on Mar 5, 2010 22:04:49 GMT -4
It felt like this episode brought the first act to an end, is this true??? Only two acts left...  Who are these "mystery characters" you're talking about? What makes you think they won't address the volcano or the Godspeeds? They gave us the numbers, after saying in a podcast that they never would, so give them a little credit - they ARE answering the questions that are really important to fans. Just enjoy the ride, see how it unfolds, and then decide after it all ends whether they satisfied our desires or not. How is it productive to complain before we really know what's coming our way? On another note, Bobdoc I think you hit the nail on the head about characters flipping sides. I sort of hope even though I can't stand Kate, she doesn't really understand what she is walking into, so I hope she can reach a point where she actively CHOOSES one side or the other. Same with Jin; they just sort of fell into Smokey's team without being given a choice - and we all know free will is a major theme of the show. Also, what did you mean by "it is a little ironic that after so many actors got into DUI's in real life, they finally had a character on screen who had that same problem, then got killed moments later." I don't see the connection with DUIs and Dogen.  |
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Post by bobdoc on Mar 5, 2010 22:40:26 GMT -4
The recent Entertainment Weekly cover story did say that "Sundown" did close the first of three six-episode acts. Now the second one will have MIB tempt everyone else into leaving with him - though he already seems to have ensnared everyone except for Jack and Hurley - and I presume the last act is the battle between those who ultimately take his offer, and those who don't.
The mystery characters I meant were Richard, Ben, Jacob, MIB, Widmore, Eloise, etc - the ones who still need a lot of backstory explained. With flashbacks now out of the questions for most of them, let's hope they're able to fit in the answers for them in other ways.
The media jokes that Lost actors are always killed off once they get DUI's- a la Ana Lucia and Libby- even though its a coincidence. And Dogen got killed just after we learned he once drove under the influence - albeit in a worse way than the Lost actors. It's just me joking about how the fake Lost DUI curse finally reached the screen.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2010 23:16:38 GMT -4
I thought we were under spoiler rules until Sunday? or has that been lifted? The media jokes that Lost actors are always killed off once they get DUI's- a la Ana Lucia and Libby- even though its a coincidence. And Dogen got killed just after we learned he once drove under the influence - albeit in a worse way than the Lost actors. It's just me joking about how the fake Lost DUI curse finally reached the screen. Doh, I missed that one completely. Excellent. I know everyone is moving toward the conviction that MIB is evil, but I'm still not convinced. I think they're both manipulating everyone to do their will by promising them things or making lame statement about how this person or that person has a choice. Seems to me Sayid's choice was do what Smocke wants or get killed right there in the jungle. Either way he ends up in the Team Smocke Army of the Dead. Some choice, some free will. Did you notice BTW that the guards who defended the temple were among those right behind Smocke as they purportedly headed out on their way to leave the island supposedly. I don't think that's a casting situation. They were too recognizable to just be extras. |
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Post by tigerlily on Mar 5, 2010 23:29:32 GMT -4
though he already seems to have ensnared everyone except for Jack and Hurley - and I presume the last act is the battle between those who ultimately take his offer, and those who don't.
The mystery characters I meant were Richard, Ben, Jacob, MIB, Widmore, Eloise, etc - the ones who still need a lot of backstory explained. With flashbacks now out of the questions for most of them, let's hope they're able to fit in the answers for them in other ways.
The media jokes that Lost actors are always killed off once they get DUI's- a la Ana Lucia and Libby- even though its a coincidence. And Dogen got killed just after we learned he once drove under the influence - albeit in a worse way than the Lost actors. It's just me joking about how the fake Lost DUI curse finally reached the screen. Aaaahhh okay that makes sense!! Except, I think the ones that escape the Temple - Sun, Ben, Lapidus, Illeana (sp?) and Miles - will join up with Team Jacob, perhaps at the Lighthouse. That's just a guess, though.I was really sweating it for a while - I thought Miles was a dead man, and there goes my favorite snarky character. Although Lapidus gets some pretty awesome lines too, lately. I'm just grateful Miles survived the massacre!
I know everyone is moving toward the conviction that MIB is evil, but I'm still not convinced. I think they're both manipulating everyone to do their will by promising them things or making lame statement about how this person or that person has a choice. Seems to me Sayid's choice was do what Smocke wants or get killed right there in the jungle. Either way he ends up in the Team Smocke Army of the Dead. Some choice, some free will.
Did you notice BTW that the guards who defended the temple were among those right behind Smocke as they purportedly headed out on their way to leave the island supposedly. I don't think that's a casting situation. They were too recognizable to just be extras.
, yesss!!! I totally think Jacob and Nemesis are both good AND evil. We just haven't really seen Jacob's dark side yet. Both are playing a game, and only one will win. And there will be some epic consequences to either victory. Good call on the guards. I'm guessing those are the people who chose to leave the Temple before sundown. Anybody know whether Cindy and the kids survived?  I'm still waiting for Desmond to swoop in and change the game completely. You KNOW it's gonna happen.... ;D |
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Post by bobdoc on Mar 6, 2010 11:51:02 GMT -4
In all the complants about S6, let's be sure to leave every second with Terry out of it. In a S6 that's supposed to match S1, it's fitting that original standout Terry is the standout again - and fitting that the monster, which was the biggest early mystery of the show before the hatch and everything else, is the biggest mystery once again.
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Post by tigerlily on Mar 6, 2010 12:42:05 GMT -4
In all the complants about S6, let's be sure to leave every second with Terry out of it. In a S6 that's supposed to match S1, it's fitting that original standout Terry is the standout again - and fitting that the monster, which was the biggest early mystery of the show before the hatch and everything else, is the biggest mystery once again. hell yeah!!!! ;D |
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Post by benobsessed on Mar 6, 2010 13:08:55 GMT -4
In all the complants about S6, let's be sure to leave every second with Terry out of it. In a S6 that's supposed to match S1, it's fitting that original standout Terry is the standout again - and fitting that the monster, which was the biggest early mystery of the show before the hatch and everything else, is the biggest mystery once again. hell yeah!!!! ;D I agree, we also need to include every second with Michael too, but unfortunately to me even the best actors can't compete with a rubbish script. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2010 16:06:51 GMT -4
I totally think Jacob and Nemesis are both good AND evil. We just haven't really seen Jacob's dark side yet. Both are playing a game, and only one will win. And there will be some epic consequences to either victory. Good call on the guards. I'm guessing those are the people who chose to leave the Temple before sundown. Anybody know whether Cindy and the kids survived? I presume they did. And I offer a variation on your theory Tigerlily, by EW's Doc Jenson in his Totally Lost article.
Jacob and MIB are the white and black elements of this show. Jensen has posited that they are a linked pair. Like the Taoist ying-yang.
That makes sense to me, and it would also explain why they hate each other. Put in pop culture icons, it would be like having Thor the Thunder God work on a science project with Hello, Kitty! They're POVs prevent them for getting along with each other, but together they keep things running. Perhaps they have gotten to the point where they lost sight of that, or maybe people play a role in keeping them in check, and now right now it's just one guy running the show. Not good.
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Post by tigerlily on Mar 6, 2010 17:19:16 GMT -4
I presume they did. And I offer a variation on your theory Tigerlily, by EW's Doc Jenson in his Totally Lost article.
Jacob and MIB are the white and black elements of this show. Jensen has posited that they are a linked pair. Like the Taoist ying-yang.
That makes sense to me, and it would also explain why they hate each other. Put in pop culture icons, it would be like having Thor the Thunder God work on a science project with Hello, Kitty! They're POVs prevent them for getting along with each other, but together they keep things running. Perhaps they have gotten to the point where they lost sight of that, or maybe people play a role in keeping them in check, and now right now it's just one guy running the show. Not good.
YESSSS, that's it exactly!! Great find, Mythic! Yin and Yang makes perfect sense. One of my friends believes strongly that they are not good vs. evil, but they are chaos and order. Which is which in that scenario, I have no idea, but I'm thinking Un-Locke. And I am LOL-ing at Thor + Hello Kitty!!!  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2010 2:42:00 GMT -4
Well, wouldn't that be how it is? One of them (Lockeness Monster) is serious and ernest and devoted to achieving goals, and another (Jacob) just wants to be whatever, and you know, like, OK, doing stuff and junk.
LOL!
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