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Post by Edith S. Baker on Feb 15, 2007 18:22:11 GMT -4
What bothered me about that woman was the she made it sound like turning the key and pushing the button had been trivial tasks. Desmond fully expected to die when he turned the failsafe key yet he didn't hesitate one bit. “No greater love has a man than to lay down his life for another.” Desmond is a christ figure. He chooses death to save the world yet arises a day later changed forever. I don't think she made it sound that trivial in my opinion. I think she hinted at it's importance. She made it sound as if getting to the island was very crucial for Desmond and everyone else. There was a moment where I believe she hinted it was at the uttmost importance. Just because it's sounds mundane doesn't mean it doesn't matter. But this is just my humble opinion.... Actually, Katie, I disagree with you. The woman did stress that Desmond is a nothing and pushing the button will be the only great thing he'll do in the world. When she said that, she had disdain in her voice, meaning that button pushing is a nothing. Of course, if you subscribe to the theory that all that we saw was really Desmond's mind playing tricks on him, and all that he heard was from his subconscious, then you understood that Desmond felt disdain towards himself. He felt useless when pushing the button, only to discover that the button had some meaning and now he was back to have nothing in the world. |
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Post by Maeve on Feb 15, 2007 18:30:00 GMT -4
I don't think she made it sound that trivial in my opinion. I think she hinted at it's importance. She made it sound as if getting to the island was very crucial for Desmond and everyone else. There was a moment where I believe she hinted it was at the uttmost importance. Just because it's sounds mundane doesn't mean it doesn't matter. But this is just my humble opinion.... I've only watched it once so my opinion might change. Right now I'm not too sure what the episode was about and with Lost if you miss even a single sentence, you can misconstrue meaning. Then there is the actress who annoys me. |
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Post by katm0855 on Feb 15, 2007 20:45:05 GMT -4
I guess I may have perceived it one way than the other. I still think there was a line in there that meant something else. But I'll have to go back and see. I took it as what he was doing was important.
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Post by rednymph234 on Feb 15, 2007 23:17:59 GMT -4
Just you watch....Charlie will cheat "the universe".
Lost has a way of performing the unexpected.
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Post by sailornova on Feb 15, 2007 23:45:28 GMT -4
Poor charlie, I don't want him to die! He's a great character and he's cute! Besides wouldn't he kinda mention it when he was on Ellen? Then again, he wouldn't tell Ellen who he's dating either!
(cough, K-Kate, cough!)
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Post by Charlotte on Feb 16, 2007 8:57:41 GMT -4
Yes, I don´t want Charlie to die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  |
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Post by linus108 on Feb 16, 2007 11:47:03 GMT -4
actually I want him to die! he's so freakin annoying! everytime Claire talks to someone other than him, he pops up his head in the conversation.!! So annoying!! i hope Desmond doesn't keep on saving him..........
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Post by katm0855 on Feb 16, 2007 15:12:06 GMT -4
actually I want him to die! he's so freakin annoying! everytime Claire talks to someone other than him, he pops up his head in the conversation.!! So annoying!! i hope Desmond doesn't keep on saving him.......... I'll have to agree with you on this one. I didn't want to say anything because of those who really like him but this is my opinion as well. If he would just let Claire talk to a few people without going nuts, then I would like him more. |
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Post by kiagary on Feb 16, 2007 16:20:40 GMT -4
I didn't want to say anything because of those who really like him but this is my opinion as well. If he would just let Claire talk to a few people without going nuts, then I would like him more. ;D Read my mind! P.S.- Sorry Charlie...  |
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Post by rednymph234 on Feb 16, 2007 18:23:56 GMT -4
He's just insecure. He had some rough pathces in his life, and Claire is one of the few good things. He became sober because of her. he clearly loves her, that is why he doesn't like her talking to other people...he is afraid that she will leave him, and he loves her so much
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Post by Edith S. Baker on Feb 16, 2007 18:29:12 GMT -4
actually I want him to die! he's so freakin annoying! everytime Claire talks to someone other than him, he pops up his head in the conversation.!! So annoying!! i hope Desmond doesn't keep on saving him.......... I don't want any of them die. I didn't want Pickett to die. There is so much that the characters can add to the story, and besides, I invested so much of my emotional energy to these characters, I don't want them to go. |
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Post by amidala64 on Feb 16, 2007 21:41:21 GMT -4
Henry Ian Cusick whipping off his shirt and diving into the water was breathtaking!
I hope he and Michael do a scene together.
They're both classically trained actors who could really make things intense...shirts optional ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2007 4:33:50 GMT -4
This is an episode that grows on me. I liked it because it had Desmond, who reminds me of guy I knew in college. The more I think about this episode though, the more I realize it does present a number of key links to what going on. Time travel, alternative time lines. Are we to infer that Desmond got shot back to a time before he and Penny split? My feeling he got shot to a different time line, which although having similar results, also had some key differences. I thought the lady in story was one of those other Others and she was very scary. If we had to do without Ben for a week, we certainly got a good dose of hints and revelations. As Locke might say, "I'm going to have to watch that again," because you-know-who once said, "Careful observation is the only true key to true and complete awareness."
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Post by rednymph234 on Feb 17, 2007 13:21:43 GMT -4
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I don't want any of them die. I didn't want Pickett to die. There is so much that the characters can add to the story, and besides, I invested so much of my emotional energy to these characters, I don't want them to go.[/quote]
Absolutely. This is how I feel with every thing that I watch that is really good.
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Post by Maeve on Feb 17, 2007 15:17:24 GMT -4
I guess I may have perceived it one way than the other. I still think there was a line in there that meant something else. But I'll have to go back and see. I took it as what he was doing was important. Ok I've had a chance to watch it again. And again. And...well you get the idea. I missed the little part you are talking about I think. That takes place in the antique shop when Hawking becomes almost angry at Desmond for not doing what he is suppose to be doing-breaking up with Pen and getting to the island so he can turn the key. She also says they will all die if he doesn't turn the key. (Who are "they"?) When that doesn't work she switches tactics. She is cruel outside with all her fake sympathy and pushing the button is the only great thing you will ever due talk. And I thought Ben was manipulative! She left him feeling he had no free choice in the matter. When a person really has no choice in a matter there is no need to convince them to do it. Then the minute he decided to change his fate he was yanked right back to the island. Free will versus fate (destiny) was the theme of the episode and I think the theme of the whole series. Obviously the answer to what happened in this episode is to be found Hawking's book and it involves black holes and time * A Brief History of Time, opened to the chapter on black holes, was shown in last week's episode, the woman in the antique store's name was Hawking *All the clocks in the antique store stand for time. *The backward audio in last week's episode was "only fools are enslaved by time and space". *Mittelos is an anagram of "Lost Time" *Juliet arrived on the island around the same time a black hole was found in our universe. Questions for the class.  Please answer in full sentences for full credit.  So we have time and black holes. What does it mean?  Did the force from the implosion give the island enough power to transport Des back in time to teach him a lesson? What lesson? Is Des able to "flash" backward in time to change what happens (Charlie's dying)? Or does Des just see a vision in his head? Why are the flashes always about Charlie? Charlie was the only Lostie in his flashback. Are they connected in some way? Is time looping or folding back on itself in some way? Is the island caught in a time loop or is Desmond the loop? A loop somehow initiated by the implosion? Is the hero of Lost Jack or Desmond? Is it Jack and Kate in the cave (Adam and Eve) or is it Des and Pen? |
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