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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2010 18:21:54 GMT -4
Kate hate is alive and well. I can't believe the pitch of Kate-hate on all "Lost" fan forums. And although I don't really like the character all that much and am not that impressed with the talents of the actor playing her, I'm not joining the chorus on this one.
When it gets that bad, then it's no longer about the character or the actor. It's about fan hate. And it's about spending your energy on an increasingly diminishing spiral. Hate has never really helped anyone or anything get better.
And what's even odder is that this time I actually liked the ep. The fact that I chose to watch it means that I understood it was about Kate. She's not my favorite character, but I threw my lot in with "Lost" for the whole nine yards. I don't cut out this section or that, because they contain things or characters or actors I don't like, because, especially on "Lost," they often contain some really good nuggets.
I rated this a 7. There's enough stuff all around, in scenes not involving Kate that are juicy items.- Josh Holloway hit it out the park on the dock.
- I am more and more convinced that the Others are no different than such cults as the Branch Davidians or the People's Temple. And leaders like Lennon (doesn't he remind you of David Koresh?) and Dogen, even Richard, are beginning to look and sound a lot like Jim Jones and Marshall Applewhite. To add to my argument they fill their ranks with such foot soldiers as Aldo and Justin. They would better protected by Keystone Cops.
- And Claire, or as someone punned it Clousseau! OMG.
All these developments and the splinter discussions they have fostered are turning Season 6 into the most intriguing and hilarious of them all. Namaste, baby!
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Post by bobdoc on Feb 10, 2010 20:08:41 GMT -4
I wonder if this'll be one of those episodes that becomes much more important months later, when we realize how much it set up. It certainly set up what might be the monster-Locke's weapon of choice in coming weeks - infecting the survivors, a la Claire, Sayid and Rousseau's people, so they can help him "go home" There were probably some limits on how he could do that while Jacob was around- though he didn't seem to mind him infecting Claire and Rousseau's team. Now that he's gone, Smokey clearly has more power to infect and corrupt everyone for his end game/escape.
But it was Jacob's idea for them to take Sayid to the Temple in the first place- so shouldn't Jacob have known that Sayid would be "claimed" in the spring now that he was dead? Or maybe that's what he wanted somehow- though I'm now hearing theories that the Jacob who talked to Hurley was really MIB. But even he couldn't do that and be in the statue at the same time- right?
Is it me, or did Jack show a bit of brain power when going up against Dogen? While Sawyer's shame spiral is making him abandon everyone, Jack's shame is making him actually ask questions and not fall for Other tricks. Bit of an uneven distribution in shame spiral power.
I wouldn't attribute the backlash on this one to Kate-hate - not all of it. Its probably due to more doubts about whether the flash-sideways stuff will work - though Kate isn't exactly the best first test subject - and how we still have so many annoyingly cryptic statements from the Others, even in S6. And of course, because they're still focusing on the wrong characters, while the real stars are either stuck with Jack's band[Hurley and Sawyer]or get stuck in mere subplots and/or don't show up[you know which three stars I mean there]
But next Tuesday, that's finally going to change- so it'll be funny to see everyone who slams Lost this week go back to worshipping it next week, as if nothing happened. If they somehow screw next week up, then we can panic about S6.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2010 22:02:08 GMT -4
Oh I read the posts as they were coming in last night. It was definitely Kate-hate. It's cooled down a bit, as the haters seem to have gotten it out of their system. A dharma purge I suppose.
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Post by Maeve on Feb 10, 2010 22:53:04 GMT -4
I didn't think it was that bad. It was a set-up episode for next week that served to get a bunch of Losties out of the Temple and back to the beach perhaps the reunion of Sun and Jin. Claire returned after being MIA for three years. ALTethan passed through and that was fun. He is still scary as all get out but will he get together with ALTclaire?
Did we see the death of THE TRIANGLE? Jack made his intentions clear. Sawyer left the Temple to grieve Juliet (glad to see that-their relationship earned it). Kate followed and got told to take herself and her winsome ways and go. Back to Jack hopefully. Josh's tearing eyes as he threw the ring into the river ala Desmond --how he has grown as an actor!
Sayid got a taste of his own medicine! And they said the island wasn't purgatory. In much the same way as Rousseau tortured him too. I hope Sayid is one of the early casualties we know must be coming. Rousseau, of course, also introduced us to THE sickness.
Did we find out what the sickness is? Not that I understand what being claimed or having a growing darkness means. In part I guess it means you can't die unless you voluntarily swallow the magic herbal death pill.
Jack and Dogan actually talked to each other! But Dogan still knows more and I think Jack will get it out of him next week.
I liked the ALTkate stuff too. She found Claire, fulfilling her reason for coming back to the island.
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Post by bobdoc on Feb 11, 2010 10:23:22 GMT -4
The sickness isn't going to be explained for a bit, but I believe we can associate it as a weapon of the monster. He infected Rousseau's team, he likely infected Claire after Christian took her, and now that Jacob's dead, his power could taint the spring. Without Jacob to keep the monster in check, he can now probably infect more survivors and make them help him 'go home' - perhaps he might start with Sawyer next week. If so, this ep will be deemed important for setting that up. Whatever the sickness is, it can bring out people's dark sides and make them destroy, fight and corrupt- just like the Man In Black version of the monster said that people always do on the island. It made Rousseau's team and fiance try to kill her, it did something awful to Claire, and it's probably going to ruin Sayid and tempt many more of the survivors before we're done here.
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Post by tigerlily on Feb 11, 2010 22:31:26 GMT -4
Not a fan of this epi at all. The only redeeming bit was Sawyer's pain. Man, that guy has turned into a first class actor. He actually made me cry.
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Post by caz (Caroline) on Feb 12, 2010 19:47:07 GMT -4
I actually liked this ep although not a lot happened in it it did give us some infomation to think about and sets us up for ep 4 which will have Ben and the team in YAY! Was very annoyed at the lack of Ben 'Smocke' etc Not sure about Claire, seemed very strange as Dogen told Jack she had been claimed along with Sayid. It was also nice to see Ethan again
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Post by tigerlily on Feb 12, 2010 19:51:44 GMT -4
Ethan was definitely a surprise!! I wonder if he is still an island Other in this alternate universe? Is he working for Ben? Did anybody else get Hurley's zombie reference??? If you listen to the official Lost podcasts, Darlton have a running joke about Season 7 being the Zombie Season!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2010 20:00:14 GMT -4
You know, my first impression was that it had a few gems, but when I watched it again and noted some things, I realized the ep was packed full of things. Like the similarity of events in oh-so-different circumstances: - Sayid gets electrocuted by Dogen/Rousseau
- Sawyer/Desmond toss a diamond ring into the water
- Kate is with Claire when she goes into labor
- Claire is treated by Ethan Goodspeed.
And the bomb is dropped: We learned what Dogen knows something about Jack's sister and then we see Feral Claire in the jungle. This ep didn't seem to have much info at first, but, man, it was packed full. And the Sawyer breakdown. That is now the standard for me. Anybody has got to try to beat that to get my vote.
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Post by caz (Caroline) on Feb 12, 2010 20:07:29 GMT -4
That's exactly what I was thinking when Sayid was being electocuted and when Sawyer threw the ring into the water. Sawyer was great, really felt his pain but was also thinking he might go back to how he used to be which would be a shame coz he's come such a long way which I really noticed when I rewatched S1 last year and thought Wow he was a real jerk but now I really like his character. ;D
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Post by dharmina on Feb 12, 2010 23:22:59 GMT -4
Well, I'm not a Kate hater, I'm just tired of watching her doing always the same things, over and over again, for 6 years, so I wasn't happy to gey yet another Kate centric, with no Ben, and lots of Kate doing again - guess what - running. And stalking Sawyer. Couldn't ALT Kate be a little different?... The Temple Others are annoying the hell out of me. Posers. I don't drink their Kool.Aid, and I'm not taking their word about The Sickness. I'm very disappointed in all of them. /Smocke Dogen is a wannabe Ben: he poses as the all-knowing, cold-blooded, charismatic maipulator, and he fails, because there's only one Ben. And no Ben = no Lost. caz, I adore your av!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2010 23:53:48 GMT -4
Well, I'm not a Kate hater, I'm just tired of watching her doing always the same things, over and over again, for 6 years, so I wasn't happy to gey yet another Kate centric! With Kate doing again - guess what - running. And stalking Sawyer ;D. The Temple Others are annoying the hell out of me. Posers. I'm very disappointed in all of them. /Smocke Dogen is a wannabe Ben: he poses as the all-knowing, cold-blooded, charismatic maipulator, and he fails, because there's only one Ben. And no Ben = no Lost. caz, I adore your av! Well, of course no one can one Ben. And even some entertainment media sites talked about how an ep just doesn't crank as it does when we get some Ben and Smocke. And I think we'll get a good dose, but I still stand by my No. 7 rating.
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Post by caz (Caroline) on Feb 13, 2010 0:52:20 GMT -4
I rated it an 8 although Kate does annoy me sometimes I still enjoyed the ep but not as much as I probably would of if Ben and Smocke were in it, I wish they wouldn't keep leaving them out of episodes. Dharmina totally agree with you on that one There's only one Ben and nobody can take his place! ;D
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Post by dharmina on Feb 14, 2010 19:36:32 GMT -4
^ The way he reacts in that scene is so realistic, he moves faster than the camera, he's a flash of pure survival instinct. He's perfect
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Post by caz (Caroline) on Feb 15, 2010 16:46:17 GMT -4
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