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Post by melissaq9 on Mar 24, 2010 23:25:54 GMT -4
I thought this episode was amazing! I have been feeling for a while that Jacob isn't the good guy a lot of people on the island have been making him out to be and this episode only pushed that further. Jacob freely admitted to bringing numerous people on the island, basically leading them to their death so he could prove a point to the man in black. Obviously that point has not been made and Jacob didn't seem to broken up that ALL of the people had died. I'm leaning towards the theory that neither Jacob or the man in black are "good", more like who is the greater evil. I do love that Hurley is getting himself a backbone. This isn't the first time Jack has tried to get into his business and demand information that he thinks he is entitled to. I was proud of Hurley for shooting him down. The story of Richard and Isabella was beautiful. And I don't buy that the island is hell. Just some people's, like Richard's, version of it. On a fun note, while we were in Hawaii, we took a tour of Kualoa Ranch and saw the hut they used to film where Richard and Isabella lived. The guide clued us in that we would be seeing it soon on the show.  |
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Post by frenchy on Mar 25, 2010 8:25:57 GMT -4
I found Nestor Carbonnel amazing in that episode!!!  I really enjoyed his performance. And we finally get some big answers...but I think that we still can be surprised before the final episode...  |
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Post by bobdoc on Mar 25, 2010 13:59:36 GMT -4
Ben made a continuity error when he said he knew Richard since he was 12. He was 12 in 1977 - remember, Sayid said a "12 year old Ben Linus" gave him a sandwich in He's Our You - and he met Richard four years earlier. So technically, he's known Richard since he was eight - although he probably meant that he only really got to know Richard once he was 12 and got shot. |
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Post by inia on Mar 25, 2010 15:31:57 GMT -4
This episode, I think, was an independent movie, and really good one. (Albeit the wooden Black Rock smashing the huge stony statue bits and pieces -scene made me laugh incredulously). And, I was hoping something different to Richard, not just another "ordinary" love story..
Now, if the island is really a cork in the bottle, that keeps good and evil separate, I just can't fit Jack, Kate or Sawyer in this plot. I CAN imagine Hurley or Ben or Ilana or even Sun saving the island, but just NOT the triangle. They are from another kind of world, not from this amazing, epic mystery world. |
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Post by Edith S. Baker on Mar 25, 2010 15:42:11 GMT -4
This episode, I think, was an independent movie, and really good one. (Albeit the wooden Black Rock smashing the huge stony statue bits and pieces -scene made me laugh incredulously). And, I was hoping something different to Richard, not just another "ordinary" love story..
Now, if the island is really a cork in the bottle, that keeps good and evil separate, I just can't fit Jack, Kate or Sawyer in this plot. I CAN imagine Hurley or Ben or Ilana or even Sun saving the island, but just NOT the triangle. They are from another kind of world, not from this amazing, epic mystery world. I have seen so many posts regarding a particular scene in "Ab Aeterno," and Inia (not trying to single you out here, Inia) brought it up here as well. So, I am clearing up something that some of you did not see. The boat did not break the statue. That would be impossible. The boat would be in pieces and the statue would still stand there intact. What broke the statue was the wave. Waves of such magnitutes are capable of breaking the statue and other architectural edifices. Just think of what happened with Katrina. Anyway, the wave broke the statue and the force of the wave heaved the boat inland.
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Post by benobsessed on Mar 25, 2010 15:58:28 GMT -4
OMG who are they kidding with this?
0ne of the worst episodes I've ever seen. It's getting more and more rediculous
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Post by benobsessed on Mar 25, 2010 16:04:37 GMT -4
This episode, I think, was an independent movie, and really good one. (Albeit the wooden Black Rock smashing the huge stony statue bits and pieces -scene made me laugh incredulously). And, I was hoping something different to Richard, not just another "ordinary" love story..
Now, if the island is really a cork in the bottle, that keeps good and evil separate, I just can't fit Jack, Kate or Sawyer in this plot. I CAN imagine Hurley or Ben or Ilana or even Sun saving the island, but just NOT the triangle. They are from another kind of world, not from this amazing, epic mystery world. I have seen so many posts regarding a particular scene in "Ab Aeterno," and Inia (not trying to single you out here, Inia) brought it up here as well. So, I am clearing up something that some of you did not see. The boat did not break the statue. That would be impossible. The boat would be in pieces and the statue would still stand there intact. What broke the statue was the wave. Waves of such magnitutes are capable of breaking the statue and other architectural edifices. Just think of what happened with Katrina. Anyway, the wave broke the statue and the force of the wave heaved the boat inland.
Does that make more sense now? Then wouldn't the wave have destroyed the boat?
It seems highly unlikely the boat would remain in tact and not the statue :/ |
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Post by Edith S. Baker on Mar 25, 2010 16:38:29 GMT -4
I have seen so many posts regarding a particular scene in "Ab Aeterno," and Inia (not trying to single you out here, Inia) brought it up here as well. So, I am clearing up something that some of you did not see. The boat did not break the statue. That would be impossible. The boat would be in pieces and the statue would still stand there intact. What broke the statue was the wave. Waves of such magnitutes are capable of breaking the statue and other architectural edifices. Just think of what happened with Katrina. Anyway, the wave broke the statue and the force of the wave heaved the boat inland.
Does that make more sense now? Then wouldn't the wave have destroyed the boat?
It seems highly unlikely the boat would remain in tact and not the statue :/ Not necessarily. The boat was on top of the wave, hence it was free floating. The wave hit the statue with full force as it was towing under. The boat was thrown into land, but the statue was slapped by the innard of the wave where all the force is stored.
By the way, Steph, since you are such a skeptic. How did you accept that, in Season 1, they survived the plane crash? That type of survival, actually, is unfounded. There is no way, in reality, that they could have survived a plane splitting in the middle, in midair. The force and the atmosphere would kill everyone on the spot. Then, just the impact of the hard fall in the water for the tailies and the land for the others would have been enough to kill them as well. Talk about ridiculous! |
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Post by inia on Mar 25, 2010 16:48:20 GMT -4
This episode, I think, was an independent movie, and really good one. (Albeit the wooden Black Rock smashing the huge stony statue bits and pieces -scene made me laugh incredulously). And, I was hoping something different to Richard, not just another "ordinary" love story..
Now, if the island is really a cork in the bottle, that keeps good and evil separate, I just can't fit Jack, Kate or Sawyer in this plot. I CAN imagine Hurley or Ben or Ilana or even Sun saving the island, but just NOT the triangle. They are from another kind of world, not from this amazing, epic mystery world. I have seen so many posts regarding a particular scene in "Ab Aeterno," and Inia (not trying to single you out here, Inia) brought it up here as well. So, I am clearing up something that some of you did not see. The boat did not break the statue. That would be impossible. The boat would be in pieces and the statue would still stand there intact. What broke the statue was the wave. Waves of such magnitutes are capable of breaking the statue and other architectural edifices. Just think of what happened with Katrina. Anyway, the wave broke the statue and the force of the wave heaved the boat inland.
Does that make more sense now? Yes, that makes sense. Thanks Edith! Again, it seems me being silly, not the writers.  |
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Post by Edith S. Baker on Mar 25, 2010 16:58:23 GMT -4
OMG who are they kidding with this? 0ne of the worst episodes I've ever seen. It's getting more and more rediculous Steph, you are entitled to your opinion, but it seems to me that you are distancing from the fact that LOST is a work of fiction and not reality. The story is not based on reality. Hence, many of the plots will have some far-fetched ideas. The whole premise of the show, the survival of plane crash survivors who cannot be found and are still alive, is far fetched. In reality, nobody could have ever survived the plane crash. Back in 2004, had anybody yelled out that the show is the most ridiculous piece of garbage he or she has ever seen, you, more than likely, would have yelled back bloody murder on how dared anybody trash the show. I don't know what made you so bitter and so angry. I wish I could reach you. Try to realize that this is JJ Abrams' story. Many of us could have written a story that would fit our needs better. Heck, some of the theories that I read out there were amazing. But JJ had another vision, and we should respect that. |
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Post by benobsessed on Mar 25, 2010 17:17:22 GMT -4
Then wouldn't the wave have destroyed the boat?
It seems highly unlikely the boat would remain in tact and not the statue :/ Not necessarily. The boat was on top of the wave, hence it was free floating. The wave hit the statue with full force as it was towing under. The boat was thrown into land, but the statue was slapped by the innard of the wave where all the force is stored.
By the way, Steph, since you are such a skeptic. How did you accept that, in Season 1, they survived the plane crash? That type of survival, actually, is unfounded. There is no way, in reality, that they could have survived a plane splitting in the middle, in midair. The force and the atmosphere would kill everyone on the spot. Then, just the impact of the hard fall in the water for the tailies and the land for the others would have been enough to kill them as well. Talk about ridiculous! I'm not buying any of it now. We were led to believe this would be something different, but really it has turned out to be a complete hash of fans ideas. At first it was interesting, now it's just a snore fest |
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Post by benobsessed on Mar 25, 2010 17:19:39 GMT -4
OMG who are they kidding with this? 0ne of the worst episodes I've ever seen. It's getting more and more rediculous Steph, you are entitled to your opinion, but it seems to me that you are distancing from the fact that LOST is a work of fiction and not reality. The story is not based on reality. Hence, many of the plots will have some far-fetched ideas. The whole premise of the show, the survival of plane crash survivors who cannot be found and are still alive, is far fetched. In reality, nobody could have ever survived the plane crash. Back in 2004, had anybody yelled out that the show is the most ridiculous piece of garbage he or she has ever seen, you, more than likely, would have yelled back bloody murder on how dared anybody trash the show. I don't know what made you so bitter and so angry. I wish I could reach you. Try to realize that this is JJ Abrams' story. Many of us could have written a story that would fit our needs better. Heck, some of the theories that I read out there were amazing. But JJ had another vision, and we should respect that. |
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Post by benobsessed on Mar 25, 2010 17:20:57 GMT -4
OMG who are they kidding with this? 0ne of the worst episodes I've ever seen. It's getting more and more rediculous Steph, you are entitled to your opinion, but it seems to me that you are distancing from the fact that LOST is a work of fiction and not reality. The story is not based on reality. Hence, many of the plots will have some far-fetched ideas. The whole premise of the show, the survival of plane crash survivors who cannot be found and are still alive, is far fetched. In reality, nobody could have ever survived the plane crash. Back in 2004, had anybody yelled out that the show is the most ridiculous piece of garbage he or she has ever seen, you, more than likely, would have yelled back bloody murder on how dared anybody trash the show. I don't know what made you so bitter and so angry. I wish I could reach you. Try to realize that this is JJ Abrams' story. Many of us could have written a story that would fit our needs better. Heck, some of the theories that I read out there were amazing. But JJ had another vision, and we should respect that. Actually I never watched the show in 2004. I am expressing my opinion, I do not feel the need for you to judge me at all on this matter |
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Post by flummery on Mar 25, 2010 18:22:56 GMT -4
"Ab Aeterno." I was not all that impressed by it.It was OK, and Richard's love story was nice. But we already had an epic love story with Desmond and Penny, so it wasn't as if the show needed another one. And I'm just hoping all this talk about hell and "Evil Incarnate" is just misdirection, or I will be disappointed. I would have hoped those themes would have been much more nuanced and complex. It was all just a bit too simplistic for me. oops, sorry about the omitting spoiler tags I'm in a similar boat. I was impressed with the episode as far as Richard's story, and enjoyed the love story (although I think it was best that they kept it within this one episode and didn't make it a long-term storyline over several episodes and seasons like Des and Penny). For me, this was an ep I wanted to rewatch right away. There was a lot of information and references I wanted to make sure I understood. But like Mythic, I'm a little concerned about the whole "evil incarnate" thing. I'm actually pretty confused by it. If MIB is evil, and the island (and/or Jacob) is a cork that holds him in place, prevents him from escaping...then are things that happen off the island, in the "real world", not evil? 'Cause isn't the rest of the world protected from him while the island holds him? Exactly what kind of "evil" is being contained, then? And where would it go if the cork, the island, wasn't there? |
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Post by bobdoc on Mar 25, 2010 18:27:15 GMT -4
I thought Steph vowed to quit watching after "Sundown", then came back just to watch "Dr. Linus" hated that and gave up for good. So I'm just surprised she came back again to see this one.
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